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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #165 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 1:22am

stunspore wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 11:31pm:

That's better, Grap. Easier to relate to those figure. I prob wonder the relative accuracy but sure I will take it on blind faith.

Can only estimate the 'under-employed' - no hard figures... and the waters are sullied by the endless parade of job shifters who move from one job to another, so it's very hard to get a real focus on unemployment and job placement.

I mean - how many machine operators move from (as I saw myself) the Sydney Olympic site to the Sydney-Brisbane super-highway job? Not a new job created but a lot of jobs transferred...... one lost = one gained by the same person... no NET increase in employment or 'jobs created' in reality.

I get sick of the propaganda about 'creating jobs'.. utter bullshit.

BTW - both those major construction jobs were out of the public purse.. which raises the question of how much 'priming' government really has to do to even level peg with jobs..... serious issue right there.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #166 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:51am

Swagman wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

Weekends and evenings are not necessarily "unsociable" to everyone, so that argument is absolute nonsense.

Yet in over 40 years of involvement in shift work I never found anyone who agreed with this assessment or anyone who would have voluntarily worked shifts if not for penalty rates.

That is nobody - zilch - a big zero - ducks eggs.

So in your 40 years of shift work you produced double or 1.5 times or whatever the union determined was an appropriate rate to what your mates produced on normal time?

Often covering indecent hours isn't about productivity but about coverage, it isn't only coffee shops where penalty rates occur.

In many areas productivity is known to suffer in out of normal hours work, this tends to happen for very good reasons.

I can also think of at least 1 example when the after normal hours performance was dramatically greater than normal hours in terms of an effective customer repair service, but this is not typical.

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