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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #30 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:25am:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:22am:

the ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/zed-seselja-backs-cutting-sunday-penalty-r...

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"It will create jobs, it will give jobs to people who don't have jobs, or it will give more hours to those who are seeking it in an industry where we often see businesses not even bothering to open on a Sunday."

No, it will not.

yes it will

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #31 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:30am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:28am:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:52am:

If you're a retail worker and you turn down weekends, enjoy suddenly your roster going blank and suddenly another worker employed taking your hours.

Yep, that's exactly what happens.

Or, they'll sack you.

I've seen so many unfair dismissal claims where this is the case.

more lies

you seem to be a serial liar around there's here parts...

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Reply #32 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:31am

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:25am:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:22am:

the ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/zed-seselja-backs-cutting-sunday-penalty-r...

Roll Eyes

"It will create jobs, it will give jobs to people who don't have jobs, or it will give more hours to those who are seeking it in an industry where we often see businesses not even bothering to open on a Sunday."

No, it will not.

yes it will

PROOF?

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #33 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:31am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:31am:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:25am:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:22am:

the ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/zed-seselja-backs-cutting-sunday-penalty-r...

Roll Eyes

"It will create jobs, it will give jobs to people who don't have jobs, or it will give more hours to those who are seeking it in an industry where we often see businesses not even bothering to open on a Sunday."

No, it will not.

yes it will

PROOF?

after you smith and greggy

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BlueBeard Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 387 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #34 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:32am you will stils get penalty rates on a sunday
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Reply #35 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:36am

Hasnt this issue been flogged a billion times before, nobody is getting a job if penalty rates are slashed , why employ more people to do what you had enough employees to do before .

Evidently more people are supposed to be rushing through the door if you cut penalty rates , so lets get this straight , people with less disposable income have more spending power , goodness me righties , bit thick arent we Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:41am

during the American recovery after the recession it was the lower paying jobs that led the way

Higher-wage industries like accounting and legal work shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139247 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #37 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:43am Its time wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:36am: nobody is getting a job if penalty rates are slashed Correct. Two things will happen, though: 1) workers will have less pay 2) workers will be bullied into working unsocial hours
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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #38 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 12:52pm

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:41am:

during the American recovery after the recession it was the lower paying jobs that led the way

Higher-wage industries like accounting and legal work shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.

If you want an American System I suggest you go live in America.

Have you been?

You think homelessness is bad here?

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Reply #39 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:15pm

The rightards on here have no idea about running a business.

How many staff does a business bring in on Sunday to operate....The minimum needed.

How many more will they bring in if the wages dropped.....None

A good manager is ever watchful of keeping staffing levels to a minimum and profits to a maximum.

They are not bloody bleeding hearts handing out extra unneeded jobs

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #40 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:17pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:31am:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:25am:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 11:22am:

the ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/zed-seselja-backs-cutting-sunday-penalty-r...

Roll Eyes

"It will create jobs, it will give jobs to people who don't have jobs, or it will give more hours to those who are seeking it in an industry where we often see businesses not even bothering to open on a Sunday."

No, it will not.

yes it will

PROOF?

...is in the pudding

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #41 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:00am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:56am:

It's not about "removing" penalty rates. It's about paying them where they are warranted ...

And they are warranted on Sundays.

Some places yes, some places no.

That's the difference between your argument and mine.

You paint all workplaces and localities with the one collective brush, which is bonkers...

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #42 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:25pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:00am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:56am:

It's not about "removing" penalty rates. It's about paying them where they are warranted ...

And they are warranted on Sundays.

Some places yes, some places no.

That's the difference between your argument and mine.

You paint all workplaces and localities with the one collective brush, which is bonkers...

Exactly Swag
With the ever growing debt you'd think federal public servants penalty rates would be the 1st thing to go.
What is the difference between a heart attack on a Sunday as opposed to a Monday.
Why is it only the lowest paid least unionized on the chopping block?

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21693 ACT Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #43 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:25pm So Swaggie you as a manager of "The Swagmans Retreat Cafe and Credit Agency" has eight staff on Sunday. Suddenly wages go down due to penalty changes. You have sufficient staff already to do the job. As a responsible manager where would you put the extra profits?
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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #44 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:28pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:00am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:56am:

It's not about "removing" penalty rates. It's about paying them where they are warranted ...

And they are warranted on Sundays.

Some places yes, some places no.

That's the difference between your argument and mine.

You paint all workplaces and localities with the one collective brush, which is bonkers...

It's not about the workplace, it's about the worker.

Sundays are when the kids and most family members are at home.

It's when people have BBQs and parties.

It's when a lot of sporting events and church services are held.

These things are important to all workers, whether they work at the airport, a coffee shop, a restaurant, in a country town or in a CBD office open from 9 to 5.

It's about the workers being compensated for working unsocial hours, not about where they work.

One day you'll understand that (hopefully).

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