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Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:49am
 
Liberal senator Zed Seselja breaks ranks to back cutting Sunday penalty rates

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A Government senator has broken ranks to push for Sunday penalty rates to be cut for hundreds of thousands of workers in the hospitality, retail and entertainment sectors.

The Productivity Commission recommended the move in a report released this week.

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash immediately distanced the Government from the finding, saying penalty rates were a matter for the Fair Work Commission.

But ACT Liberal senator Zed Seselja said the Coalition should argue for a cut in Sunday penalty rates at next year's election.

"The Productivity Commission has done some really important work here," Senator Seselja he said.

"I think that we should be looking to put some policies to the next election which make incremental reforms in this area that go down the path the Productivity Commission is recommending.

"In the hospitality industry, in particular, that's where I hear the most from business owners, that's where I think the reforms should be occurring, and I think that's the sort of thing that we could develop a policy to take to an election."

The Productivity Commission recommended reducing Sunday loadings to Saturday levels across the sectors.

For workers under the General Retail Industry Award, for example, double time on a Sunday would fall to 125 per cent of weekday pay for full-time or part-time workers.

The commission did not propose changes to rates for nurses, teachers or emergency services workers.

Senator Seselja said the level of change should be up for discussion, but it would be of "significant benefit" if it allowed more businesses to open on Sundays.

"I think if you look at what the Productivity Commission's had to say in looking to ... just somewhat reduce the penalty rates on Sundays, I think that would be sensible," he said.

"It will create jobs, it will give jobs to people who don't have jobs, or it will give more hours to those who are seeking it in an industry where we often see businesses not even bothering to open on a Sunday.

"If it goes towards making it more likely businesses who want to open on Sunday can open on Sunday ... then I think there's some significant benefit in that."

Anna McPhee from the Retail Council agreed, saying any move to reduce penalty rates would help businesses and consumers.

"The way in which consumers are out there shopping has significantly changed and the retail sector really just wants to be able to deliver its products and goods and services in a convenient way to consumers and that means longer hours and seven days a week," she said.

Don't be spooked by WorkChoices election, senator says


The labour movement is demanding the Government rule out the penalty rate change, and is threatening the biggest campaign since the Howard government introduced its WorkChoices legislation during its final term.

The industrial relations changes — along with the multi-million dollar union push against the overhaul — are seen as major reasons for the Coalition's 2007 election loss.

"Those that work in the hospitality and retail sector rely on penalty rates just to make ends meet. Just to get by week to week," ACTU secretary Dave Oliver said earlier this week.

But Senator Seselja said the Government should not be haunted by its most recent election loss.

"I don't think we should always be spooked by the fact that we had a WorkChoices election in 2007," he said.

"We're talking about a whole different set of policies. I think a more incremental approach to change [is needed] — I think you bring the community with you.

"But of course it does take some courage to put these things to the people."

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Reply #1 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:51am
 
Welcome to the 21st century instead of being stuck in the 1960s.
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Reply #2 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:52am
 
We're on the long, glide-slope towards the American system in which tipping takes over from a decent wage from the employer.

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If Penalty rates are important to you, then it looks like you cant vote liberal.   Sad
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If Penalty rates are important to you, then it looks like you cant vote liberal.   Sad


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Reply #5 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:54am
 
Wage growth is already at its lowest in decades under the adults watch and now they want to cut take home pay further , bring it on .
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Reply #6 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am
 
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A Government senator has broken ranks to push for Sunday penalty rates to be cut for hundreds of thousands of workers in the hospitality, retail and entertainment sectors.

... ACT Liberal senator Zed Seselja said the Coalition should argue for a cut in Sunday penalty rates at next year's election.

Don't be fooled by a government nobody "breaking ranks" to argue for a controversial policy. He's not breaking ranks, he's been told to do this. If you've been watching the Abbott-Turnbull government, you already know how this game plays out.

  1. Someone outside of government proposes a controversial policy.
  2. The government denies the policy.
  3. A backbencher "breaks ranks" to argue for the policy.
  4. The government sits back and waits for community responses.
  5. If the community soundly rejects the policy, the government rules it out. Otherwise the government adopts it.

This is how stalking horse politics works.

Notice the timing of this particular announcement, two days before Christmas. The government is probably going to point to the lack of community rejection as "justification" for adopting the policy.
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Reply #7 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:13am
 
Now here is a good idea.  Put the Saturday penalty rates up to the same as Sunday.  In other words double time on Saturdays, and then double again on Sundays.   Cheesy   
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Bam wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am:
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A Government senator has broken ranks to push for Sunday penalty rates to be cut for hundreds of thousands of workers in the hospitality, retail and entertainment sectors.

... ACT Liberal senator Zed Seselja said the Coalition should argue for a cut in Sunday penalty rates at next year's election.

Don't be fooled by a government nobody "breaking ranks" to argue for a controversial policy. He's not breaking ranks, he's been told to do this. If you've been watching the Abbott-Turnbull government, you already know how this game plays out.

  1. Someone outside of government proposes a controversial policy.
  2. The government denies the policy.
  3. A backbencher "breaks ranks" to argue for the policy.
  4. The government sits back and waits for community responses.
  5. If the community soundly rejects the policy, the government rules it out. Otherwise the government adopts it.

This is how stalking horse politics works.

Notice the timing of this particular announcement, two days before Christmas. The government is probably going to point to the lack of community rejection as "justification" for adopting the policy.


Hope they do, look what happended in 07 after they tried it on  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:19am
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:51am:
Welcome to the 21st century instead of being stuck in the 1960s.


Why not focus on other larger amounts of expenses, say, rents?
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Reply #10 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:25am
 
every time the libs get into govt. their number one concern seems to be cutting wages for workers, all the while giving themselves pay rises  ... whats wrong with these people?
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Reply #11 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:38am
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:51am:
Welcome to the 21st century instead of being stuck in the 1960s.


Welcome to the 17th century......

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".... and to my loyal servant of fifty nine years, Duncan The Blind and Handless and Bent, who has tied my shoe laces for hours at a time starting at 4 am in the dead of Winter, then pulled the plough to tend my fields until 8pm eache Nighte, in returne for food and keep,... I leave the sum of One Pennye......"

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Reply #12 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:39am
 
stunspore wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:19am:
Swagman wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:51am:
Welcome to the 21st century instead of being stuck in the 1960s.


Why not focus on other larger amounts of expenses, say, rents?


What's it got to do with rents?

Would you like to pay double rent on Sundays?  Suggest it to your landlord.

Rents are set by the market.  Supply and demand.  The price of the majority of product is set by supply and demand.  Labour is a product.

Its time wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:54am:
Wage growth is already at its lowest in decades under the adults watch and now they want to cut take home pay further , bring it on .


Don't you see something wrong with wages growth when there is 6% unemployment?  Shocked

Same with penalty rates.  Why pay someone double when someone else without a job watches from the sidelines.  Sad

Penalty rates should be market driven.

If you can't get individuals to work at un-standard hours then offer more pay to attract them, like wise if you have plenty of takers then pay them the same as any other day.....that is a market.

That is why skilled labour and professionally qualified people are paid more.  There is a higher demand for their skills.

If they weren't paid more, if they didn't get reward for their efforts, then there would be no incentive to work hard and gain the skills.

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Reply #13 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:42am
 
Swag, you live in an ideological world .... ideology doesn't work in the real world.

Nothing is market driven. Even the stuff you think is market driven is been controlled by the puppet masters. Removing penalty rates only gives the puppet masters more to play with.
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Reply #14 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:43am
 
stunspore wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 8:19am:
Swagman wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:51am:
Welcome to the 21st century instead of being stuck in the 1960s.


Why not focus on other larger amounts of expenses, say, rents?


Good God, man - you don't expect rents and costs of living to come down to match reduced incomes, do you?

Time to March On Canberra.....
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