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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139247 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #60 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:35pm "Cutting penalty rates does not increase employment or productivity – it is simply a raid on low income people’s wages that will create an underclass of working poor." http://www.actu.org.au/actu-media/media-releases/2015/turnbull-must-reject-produ...
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21693 ACT Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #61 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:40pm This is no different to any other windfall that a company receives occasionally Do they use the increased profits to employ not needed staff. No Bloody Way!
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Reply #62 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:43pm

"Penalty rates are not an impediment to economic growth.

"The retail and hospitality sectors grew at 3.6% and 3.2% respectively last year, significantly outperforming the rest of the economy.

"There is no justification for cutting employees’ wages."

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Reply #63 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:23pm

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

That's a weak argument greg.
The Productivity Commission isn't a 24/7 industry but, in some areas, hospitality & accommodation & transport etc are.
If you choose those areas of employment these days you expect to work shift hours.

So again I ask Boges why are we only going after Hospitality & Retail?

Emergency workers are a 24/7 industry.

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Reply #64 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:28pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

That's a weak argument greg.
The Productivity Commission isn't a 24/7 industry but, in some areas, hospitality & accommodation & transport etc are.
If you choose those areas of employment these days you expect to work shift hours.

So again I ask Boges why are we only going after Hospitality & Retail?

Emergency workers are a 24/7 industry.

I think this is pretty transparent actually.

If Hospitality and Retail workers go on strike over their pay being cut it is very easily maligned in the media leading to public opinion going against the Hospitality and Retail Workers, because people want their take away coffee and the chintz...

Emergency Services etc, are a bit more vocally represented, it would be much harder (in many instances) to shift public opinion away from them over a pay dispute....

So, if we don't talk about them, then it's a straight forward and reasonable thing to say we need to have dialogue about penalty rates...

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21693 ACT Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #65 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm Phemanderac wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:28pm: So, if we don't talk about them, then it's a straight forward and reasonable thing to say we need to have dialogue about penalty rates... Yeah go for the low hanging fruit with no bargaining power!
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Reply #66 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:31pm

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

That's a weak argument greg.
The Productivity Commission isn't a 24/7 industry but, in some areas, hospitality & accommodation & transport etc are.
If you choose those areas of employment these days you expect to work shift hours.

So again I ask Boges why are we only going after Hospitality & Retail?

Emergency workers are a 24/7 industry.

I think this is pretty transparent actually.

If Hospitality and Retail workers go on strike over their pay being cut it is very easily maligned in the media leading to public opinion going against the Hospitality and Retail Workers, because people want their take away coffee and the chintz...

Emergency Services etc, are a bit more vocally represented, it would be much harder (in many instances) to shift public opinion away from them over a pay dispute....

So, if we don't talk about them, then it's a straight forward and reasonable thing to say we need to have dialogue about penalty rates...

Well yes, but I'd like an LNP shill to tell me why, they of course would do all sorts of verbal gymnastics not to say what you just did.

It would be quite entertaining Wink

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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #67 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:32pm Dammit, sorry...
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Reply #68 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:34pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:28pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:25pm:

So Swaggie you as a manager of "The Swagmans Retreat Cafe and Credit Agency" has eight staff on Sunday.

Suddenly wages go down due to penalty changes.

You have sufficient staff already to do the job.

As a responsible manager where would you put the extra profits?

Too embarrassed to answer eh Swaggie! Grin

Probably go down the let's reduced coffee by 5 cents (hopefully bit more) since I don't have pay more and see if consumers will drink more/attract more customers.

Seriously, is there a demand that would justify the reduction in cost of supply? If your nearby coffee place decided to reduce coffee by 50cents while your usual favourite coffee place which is say 50 metres away stayed the same, would that change your usual pickup? For 50cents? The elasticity of demand/supply probably won't mean more employment. More profit more likely.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #69 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:57pm Phemanderac wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Dammit, sorry... LOL all good they would have ignored it anyway
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Reply #70 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:02pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:28pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:25pm:

So Swaggie you as a manager of "The Swagmans Retreat Cafe and Credit Agency" has eight staff on Sunday.

Suddenly wages go down due to penalty changes.

You have sufficient staff already to do the job.

As a responsible manager where would you put the extra profits?

Too embarrassed to answer eh Swaggie! Grin

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Some people actually w.o.r.k. and can't be on OzPol 24/7. Wink

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #71 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil? But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good? Try some consistency just for a change of pace.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139247 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #72 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:08pm mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm: So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil? Yes. mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm: But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good? No.
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Reply #73 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:09pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:28pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:25pm:

So Swaggie you as a manager of "The Swagmans Retreat Cafe and Credit Agency" has eight staff on Sunday.

Suddenly wages go down due to penalty changes.

You have sufficient staff already to do the job.

As a responsible manager where would you put the extra profits?

Too embarrassed to answer eh Swaggie! Grin

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Some people actually w.o.r.k. and can't be on OzPol 24/7. Wink

No Swaggie just had to go home from work, he is a credit manager you know that only works 8-5 .

Apparently the boss doesnt mind him being on the internet forums instead of credit managing!

He is home now and cant spend all day on the internet! Grin

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Reply #74 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:08pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil?

Yes.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good?