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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #75 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #76 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:24pm

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

If you know of any such behaviour, you should report it to the FWC.

Forcing people to join a Union, or preventing them from joining one, is illegal.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #77 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:28pm

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:39am:

If you can't get individuals to work at un-standard hours then offer more pay to attract them ...

A lovely theory.

However, it doesn't work like that in the real world.

When employers can't get employees to work unsocial hours, they bully them, change their rosters, reduce their hours, and/or sack them.

That's the way it is, I'm afraid.

Have you ever tried to bully someone into doing your homework for you? it doesn't work.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as unions bulling non union members into memberships.

you can't be serious? you don't think bosses throw down ultimatums? get out in the real world.

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #78 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:29pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:28pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:25pm:

So Swaggie you as a manager of "The Swagmans Retreat Cafe and Credit Agency" has eight staff on Sunday.

Suddenly wages go down due to penalty changes.

You have sufficient staff already to do the job.

As a responsible manager where would you put the extra profits?

Too embarrassed to answer eh Swaggie! Grin

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Some people actually w.o.r.k. and can't be on OzPol 24/7. Wink

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what has that to do with it? the question was directed to Swag ...

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #79 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:30pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil?

But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good?

Try some consistency just for a change of pace.

not sure how you think the two are even related

but you go ahead and keep flapping those gums anyway.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #80 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:36pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:39am:

If you can't get individuals to work at un-standard hours then offer more pay to attract them ...

A lovely theory.

However, it doesn't work like that in the real world.

When employers can't get employees to work unsocial hours, they bully them, change their rosters, reduce their hours, and/or sack them.

That's the way it is, I'm afraid.

Have you ever tried to bully someone into doing your homework for you? it doesn't work.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as unions bulling non union members into memberships.

you can't be serious? you don't think bosses throw down ultimatums? get out in the real world.

Most employees are intimidated and bullied by their employer or management teams. Just how it is.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #81 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:38pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:30pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil?

But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good?

Try some consistency just for a change of pace.

not sure how you think the two are even related

but you go ahead and keep flapping those gums anyway.

Longy convieniently left out a GST rise , thats ok coz its Lib policy.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #82 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:40pm

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I have not seen a non union member bullied by the union in the last 40 years, have seen the odd occasion when other union members have given a non union member a mouth full for taking all the benefits but none of the pain.

These people are parasites.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #83 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:59pm

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I would personally like to see those who wont join sit outside on a milk crate in the hot sun to eat their smoko and be put on individual agreements outside of EBA and call them a grubby scab but what i want and can say and do are two totally different things. I remind them that they enjoy their rdos weekends annual leave sick leave and a higher rate of pay because of our unions and common sense prevails .

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #84 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:05pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

That's a weak argument greg.
The Productivity Commission isn't a 24/7 industry but, in some areas, hospitality & accommodation & transport etc are.
If you choose those areas of employment these days you expect to work shift hours.

So again I ask Boges why are we only going after Hospitality & Retail?

Emergency workers are a 24/7 industry.

Thin edge of the wedge it is called. Fight the battle you can win today and take the rest later.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #85 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

If you know of any such behaviour, you should report it to the FWC.

Forcing people to join a Union, or preventing them from joining one, is illegal.

Try not being a union member on a building site and just as pitifully, the RIGHT union.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #86 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:12pm

Its time wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:30pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil?

But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good?

Try some consistency just for a change of pace.

not sure how you think the two are even related

but you go ahead and keep flapping those gums anyway.

Longy convieniently left out a GST rise , thats ok coz its Lib policy.

What GST rise? There has been no rise. When one is announced then we can discuss it with the ill-informed ignorance and bias for which you are so well known.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #87 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I have not seen a non union member bullied by the union in the last 40 years, have seen the odd occasion when other union members have given a non union member a mouth full for taking all the benefits but none of the pain.

These people are parasites.

Only you could contradict yourself in the same sentence.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #88 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:15pm

Its time wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I would personally like to see those who wont join sit outside on a milk crate in the hot sun to eat their smoko and be put on individual agreements outside of EBA and call them a grubby scab but what i want and can say and do are two totally different things. I remind them that they enjoy their rdos weekends annual leave sick leave and a higher rate of pay because of our unions and common sense prevails .

Can they negotiate their own terms and conditions then? Own rate of pay etc? Be careful what you wish for. On multiple occasions unions fought AGAINST That because these individuals were able to negotiated higher rates of pay because they were willing to work harder and with less rubbish like union meetings.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #89 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I have not seen a non union member bullied by the union in the last 40 years, have seen the odd occasion when other union members have given a non union member a mouth full for taking all the benefits but none of the pain.

These people are parasites.

Only you could contradict yourself in the same sentence.

No contradiction just your poor comprehension again.

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