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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #90 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:21pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Its time wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I would personally like to see those who wont join sit outside on a milk crate in the hot sun to eat their smoko and be put on individual agreements outside of EBA and call them a grubby scab but what i want and can say and do are two totally different things. I remind them that they enjoy their rdos weekends annual leave sick leave and a higher rate of pay because of our unions and common sense prevails .

Can they negotiate their own terms and conditions then? Own rate of pay etc? Be careful what you wish for. On multiple occasions unions fought AGAINST That because these individuals were able to negotiated higher rates of pay because they were willing to work harder and with less rubbish like union meetings.

Union meetings are conducted in unpaid lunch breaks or in the carpark when BHP gets sand in their vag and wont give them right of entry .

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #91 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:24pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Its time wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:30pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil?

But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good?

Try some consistency just for a change of pace.

not sure how you think the two are even related

but you go ahead and keep flapping those gums anyway.

Longy convieniently left out a GST rise , thats ok coz its Lib policy.

What GST rise? There has been no rise. When one is announced then we can discuss it with the ill-informed ignorance and bias for which you are so well known.

then why are you discussing cuts to penalty rates? no cuts have been announced, have they? Cheesy

and you wonder why people think you're an idiot Cheesy

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Reply #92 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:29pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil?

But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good?

Try some consistency just for a change of pace.

You are all over the place - Jumping from penalty rates to power prices and then talking about consistency - WOW.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21693 ACT Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #93 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:24pm: and you wonder why people think you're an idiot I think the term is a far k ing idiot!
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75124 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #94 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:01pm Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:24pm: and you wonder why people think you're an idiot I think the term is a far k ing idiot! I stand corrected
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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #95 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:07pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Can they negotiate their own terms and conditions then? Own rate of pay etc?

Yep.

Any worker can do that right now.

The Modern Awards and the NES are the minimum requirements.

Any employer and employee can enter into negotiations for pay and conditions above those of the NES and Modern Awards.

If an employer wants to pay one worker the Award rate, and then pay the worker who sits next to him, and does the exact same job, ten times that amount there is absolutely nothing stopping them.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75124 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #96 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm good thing Maria worked i HR for 30 odd years ..... she doesn't even know the rules
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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #97 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

good thing Maria worked i HR for 30 odd years ..... she doesn't even know the rules Grin

I've dealt with HR Managers, who've been in the job for years, who have no idea about workplace legislation.

Take Workers' Compensation, for example.

Hardly a week goes by when I don't have to explain to an HR Manager that an injured worker has the right to choose their own doctor, and that the worker's manager/supervisor/employer has no right to be present while the doctor examines them.

I still know of HR Managers who don't understand the difference between a casual and a part-timer.

They aren't the smartest bunch, I can tell ya.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/mi...

"Minimum workplace entitlements"

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Reply #98 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm

stunspore wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:43pm:

Office rents are far more in Australia than other countries. Controlling property prices would do wonders for businesses far more than raising a generation of working poor, devaluing the middle class and making the rich richer.

Bravo! Someone finally mentions the real cost that makes many businesses uncompetitive. Retail rents in Australia are too high.

If we could force down retail rents, we could make businesses a lot more profitable WITHOUT touching penalty rates.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #99 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

good thing Maria worked i HR for 30 odd years ..... she doesn't even know the rules Grin

I've dealt with HR Managers, who've been in the job for years, who have no idea about workplace legislation.

Take Workers' Compensation, for example.

Hardly a week goes by when I don't have to explain to an HR Manager that an injured worker has the right to choose their own doctor, and that the worker's manager/supervisor/employer has no right to be present while the doctor examines them.

I still know of HR Managers who don't understand the difference between a casual and a part-timer.

They aren't the smartest bunch, I can tell ya.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/mi...

"Minimum workplace entitlements"

Ahh yes the companies doctor , ive been witness to it on multiple occasions listening to the heirachy try and lay on the spiel its mandatory to see their prefered " medical practitioners", nothing more satisfying than smacking these boffins down with the reality bat and having the individual see his doctor.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #100 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:54pm

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:43pm:

Office rents are far more in Australia than other countries. Controlling property prices would do wonders for businesses far more than raising a generation of working poor, devaluing the middle class and making the rich richer.

Bravo! Someone finally mentions the real cost that makes many businesses uncompetitive. Retail rents in Australia are too high.

If we could force down retail rents, we could make businesses a lot more profitable WITHOUT touching penalty rates.

Excellent point.

The rents are ridiculous.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #101 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:55pm

Its time wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

good thing Maria worked i HR for 30 odd years ..... she doesn't even know the rules Grin

I've dealt with HR Managers, who've been in the job for years, who have no idea about workplace legislation.

Take Workers' Compensation, for example.

Hardly a week goes by when I don't have to explain to an HR Manager that an injured worker has the right to choose their own doctor, and that the worker's manager/supervisor/employer has no right to be present while the doctor examines them.

I still know of HR Managers who don't understand the difference between a casual and a part-timer.

They aren't the smartest bunch, I can tell ya.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/mi...

"Minimum workplace entitlements"

Ahh yes the companies doctor , ive been witness to it on multiple occasions listening to the heirachy try and lay on the spiel its mandatory to see their prefered " medical practitioners", nothing more satisfying than smacking these boffins down with the reality bat and having the individual see his doctor.

Absolutely Grin

And pushing the manager out of the surgery, and making them sit in the waiting room.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #102 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 7:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:54pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:43pm:

Office rents are far more in Australia than other countries. Controlling property prices would do wonders for businesses far more than raising a generation of working poor, devaluing the middle class and making the rich richer.

Bravo! Someone finally mentions the real cost that makes many businesses uncompetitive. Retail rents in Australia are too high.

If we could force down retail rents, we could make businesses a lot more profitable WITHOUT touching penalty rates.

Excellent point.

The rents are ridiculous.

Which leads us directly to the following.... you Salem Deputy Khalifs of Auburnistan are the ones who are profiting from small business by exploitation.... and the same pressure is then applied by small business to their workers....

Funny how it works out that the greatest thieves get to feed off everyone else....

You SURE Salem isn't a Lib?

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85240 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #103 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 7:01pm John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm: good thing Maria worked i HR for 30 odd years ..... she doesn't even know the rules .. but is a sound negotiator....... don't hold back on plaudits where deserved...
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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #104 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 7:02pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

So changing Sunday rates to that of Saturday rates is a great evil?

But a Carbon Tax and a 10% rise in power prices was good?

Try some consistency just for a change of pace.

You are all over the place - Jumping from penalty rates to power prices and then talking about consistency - WOW.

Got it in one....

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