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Reply #30 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab

as opposed to increasing the GST , right?

i see nothing has changed in your comprehensions skills, dopey

I see you are still avoiding answering the questions Cheesy

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Reply #31 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:31pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab

as opposed to increasing the GST , right?

i see nothing has changed in your comprehensions skills, dopey

I see you are still avoiding answering the questions Cheesy

thats coz u ask off-topic questions twit. coz u dont know what is actually going on. you are too slow.

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Reply #32 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab

as opposed to increasing the GST , right?

i see nothing has changed in your comprehensions skills, dopey

I see you are still avoiding answering the questions Cheesy

thats coz u ask off-topic questions twit. coz u dont know what is actually going on. you are too slow.

I know exactly what's going on, it wasn't proposed by the libs therefore it's no good. After the next election, when the libs propose the same thing, it'll be the answer to all our prayers and you'll be defending it to the hilt. Cheesy

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Reply #33 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 6:50pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab

as opposed to increasing the GST , right?

i see nothing has changed in your comprehensions skills, dopey

I see you are still avoiding answering the questions Cheesy

thats coz u ask off-topic questions twit. coz u dont know what is actually going on. you are too slow.

I know exactly what's going on, it wasn't proposed by the libs therefore it's no good. After the next election, when the libs propose the same thing, it'll be the answer to all our prayers and you'll be defending it to the hilt. Cheesy

it wasnt even poposed by labor, idiot.

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Reply #34 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab

as opposed to increasing the GST , right?

i see nothing has changed in your comprehensions skills, dopey

I see you are still avoiding answering the questions Cheesy

thats coz u ask off-topic questions twit. coz u dont know what is actually going on. you are too slow.

I know exactly what's going on, it wasn't proposed by the libs therefore it's no good. After the next election, when the libs propose the same thing, it'll be the answer to all our prayers and you'll be defending it to the hilt. Cheesy

it wasnt even poposed by labor, idiot.

I didn't say it was .... and you reckon you wrote two books. I don't see how, you have the comprehension skills of a gnat.

Here, I'll repeat what I said for you

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

it wasn't proposed by the libs therefore it's no good
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Reply #35 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 9:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Implementing land tax would be a good idea if it replaced stamp duty.

The current tax regime is inefficient and unbalanced. People often pay tens of thousands of dollars to change houses, which they often must do for work reasons. The punitive tax on moving house also causes people to hold on to houses they would be better off selling (eg: empty nesters) and it causes the housing stock to be inefficiently allocated. Meanwhile, other people who hold on to houses for decades pay no tax at all.

Introducing land tax and reducing stamp duty to a level that only covers the administration costs of the title transfer would broaden the tax base and allow housing stock to be allocated more efficiently.

See also: Chapter 6: Land and resource taxes (Henry Tax Review, December 2009)

only if not retrospective. we've already paid stamp duty an now u think we should pay land tax as well? find for new purchases or perhaps those who ahve not been sold for 30 years or more. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab and we know stamp durty will return anyhow.

There would need to be sensible transitional arrangements. I wouldn't support introducing land tax if its introduction meant someone could pay land tax at the full rate right after paying stamp duty at the full rate.

The ACT are phasing in land tax over 20 years by progressively reducing stamp duty and introducing land tax at the same time.

Another way to do it would be to treat stamp duty as a pre-payment of land tax so anyone who paid stamp duty recently was exempt from land tax until the accrued land tax since stamp duty was paid exceeded the stamp duty paid.

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Reply #36 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:30am

Bam wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 9:22am:

Bam wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 9:15am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

We pay land tax here in NSW.

Lucky us Cry

Not everyone does. That is the problem.

Huh?

Everyone I know (including us) who owns investment properties here in NSW pays land tax. It comes round once a yr...like a freaking fine with an official deadline and a warning for late/non payment Cry

Owner occupiers are exempt.

The Henry tax review (2009) recommended that land taxes apply to all properties over a threshold value per square metre, in exchange for reducing stamp duty on property transfers to a more sensible level. This isn't a proposal just for NSW. It should apply in every state and territory.

land values go up and up every year....

and so would their land tax grab....

stamp duty because of the big prices is now an embarrassment.....

people are horrified at how much govt take its pure greed.. nothing else..

but as per usual the States cannot live without it..

so the Henry report used the good old smoke and mirrors...sleight of hand that we all used to fall for years ago...

and some still do .. by the sound of this..

when my land tax and rates increase its because of the price someone got for their hose down the street....

it has nothing to do with increased services... or quality of our way of life..

its just a means to Govts getting as much of our money as they can .. without us all screaming and trying to get our hands on them.....

its called now you see it now you dont..

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Reply #37 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:33am

Bam wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Implementing land tax would be a good idea if it replaced stamp duty.

The current tax regime is inefficient and unbalanced. People often pay tens of thousands of dollars to change houses, which they often must do for work reasons. The punitive tax on moving house also causes people to hold on to houses they would be better off selling (eg: empty nesters) and it causes the housing stock to be inefficiently allocated. Meanwhile, other people who hold on to houses for decades pay no tax at all.

Introducing land tax and reducing stamp duty to a level that only covers the administration costs of the title transfer would broaden the tax base and allow housing stock to be allocated more efficiently.

See also: Chapter 6: Land and resource taxes (Henry Tax Review, December 2009)

only if not retrospective. we've already paid stamp duty an now u think we should pay land tax as well? find for new purchases or perhaps those who ahve not been sold for 30 years or more. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab and we know stamp durty will return anyhow.

There would need to be sensible transitional arrangements. I wouldn't support introducing land tax if its introduction meant someone could pay land tax at the full rate right after paying stamp duty at the full rate.

The ACT are phasing in land tax over 20 years by progressively reducing stamp duty and introducing land tax at the same time.

Another way to do it would be to treat stamp duty as a pre-payment of land tax so anyone who paid stamp duty recently was exempt from land tax until the accrued land tax since stamp duty was paid exceeded the stamp duty paid.

you only pay stamp duty if you buy and sell..

if you never do either...

you still will pay land tax....FOR WHAT??????????..... really FOR WHAT?

its just another TAX with a fancy name

just call it what it is..

A TAX GRAB... because they can.

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Reply #38 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:52am

Bam wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Implementing land tax would be a good idea if it replaced stamp duty.

The current tax regime is inefficient and unbalanced. People often pay tens of thousands of dollars to change houses, which they often must do for work reasons. The punitive tax on moving house also causes people to hold on to houses they would be better off selling (eg: empty nesters) and it causes the housing stock to be inefficiently allocated. Meanwhile, other people who hold on to houses for decades pay no tax at all.

Introducing land tax and reducing stamp duty to a level that only covers the administration costs of the title transfer would broaden the tax base and allow housing stock to be allocated more efficiently.

See also: Chapter 6: Land and resource taxes (Henry Tax Review, December 2009)

only if not retrospective. we've already paid stamp duty an now u think we should pay land tax as well? find for new purchases or perhaps those who ahve not been sold for 30 years or more. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab and we know stamp durty will return anyhow.

There would need to be sensible transitional arrangements. I wouldn't support introducing land tax if its introduction meant someone could pay land tax at the full rate right after paying stamp duty at the full rate.

The ACT are phasing in land tax over 20 years by progressively reducing stamp duty and introducing land tax at the same time.

Another way to do it would be to treat stamp duty as a pre-payment of land tax so anyone who paid stamp duty recently was exempt from land tax until the accrued land tax since stamp duty was paid exceeded the stamp duty paid.

or do away with stamp duty and payroll tax entirely by widening the GST. that way the load is shared by all.

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Reply #41 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:43am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

or do away with stamp duty and payroll tax entirely by widening the GST

Is that not a merciless tax grab? Cheesy

nope. everyone pays it equally.

bullsh1t .... those with the money get around the GST the same way they do now.

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Reply #42 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 9:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Bam wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Implementing land tax would be a good idea if it replaced stamp duty.

The current tax regime is inefficient and unbalanced. People often pay tens of thousands of dollars to change houses, which they often must do for work reasons. The punitive tax on moving house also causes people to hold on to houses they would be better off selling (eg: empty nesters) and it causes the housing stock to be inefficiently allocated. Meanwhile, other people who hold on to houses for decades pay no tax at all.

Introducing land tax and reducing stamp duty to a level that only covers the administration costs of the title transfer would broaden the tax base and allow housing stock to be allocated more efficiently.

See also: Chapter 6: Land and resource taxes (Henry Tax Review, December 2009)

only if not retrospective. we've already paid stamp duty an now u think we should pay land tax as well? find for new purchases or perhaps those who ahve not been sold for 30 years or more. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab and we know stamp durty will return anyhow.

There would need to be sensible transitional arrangements. I wouldn't support introducing land tax if its introduction meant someone could pay land tax at the full rate right after paying stamp duty at the full rate.

The ACT are phasing in land tax over 20 years by progressively reducing stamp duty and introducing land tax at the same time.

Another way to do it would be to treat stamp duty as a pre-payment of land tax so anyone who paid stamp duty recently was exempt from land tax until the accrued land tax since stamp duty was paid exceeded the stamp duty paid.

or do away with stamp duty and payroll tax entirely by widening the GST. that way the load is shared by all.

The tax burden would also be shared by all if land tax was levied on all properties but it is a better solution because it's not a great big tax whack on low-income people like the GST is.

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Reply #43 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 9:30am

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:33am:

you only pay stamp duty if you buy and sell..

That is the problem with it. It's a great big tax on moving house. Why tax people hard when they move house but not at all if they don't?

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:33am:

if you never do either [buy or sell]...

Then you're not contributing tax (though renters do end up contributing for the landlord's land tax if applicable).

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:33am:

you still will pay land tax....FOR WHAT??????????..... really FOR WHAT?

The same services that are currently funded with stamp duty.

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Reply #44 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:39am

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

or do away with stamp duty and payroll tax entirely by widening the GST

Is that not a merciless tax grab? Cheesy

nope. everyone pays it equally.

bullsh1t .... those with the money get around the GST the same way they do now.

why dont you enlighten us, stupid-one about how that takes place?

idiot.

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