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Grappler Deep State Feller

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Reply #75 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:06pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

I see the renters who could never afford to buy a home want to tax those who could by putting a tax on the family home.

People can't afford housing in this country because of all of the corporate welfare dished out to landlords under the guise of helping out renters. All it has done is just over-inflate house prices and rent Sad

Besides, it's this conservative government that wants to tax the family home, especially in retirement via pension cuts for owning too much, and this after getting not a thing while paying off a mortgage for years .... this is quite distinct from investment properties that garner all the goodies and only ever inflate the price of housing so more and more people are forced into renting...

The issue of deeming a family home to be edible goods and thus reducing pension has been done to death.

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Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia?
Reply #76 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:18pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Bam wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 8:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

you engage in a ridiculous style of debate because you dont like being beaten or asked to explain yourself. maybe your fell-travellers are content with your drivel but I am not. you hate business, you hate business owners and are diabolically envious of rich people.

bad luck. I am both.

No you're not. You're a 57-year-old man from South Australia who sells DVDs on eBay.

Do tell us more Wink

So Longy is an Ebay seller not a university professor. Grin

He's mentioned in several psychology works, and has published two books while working millions of upgrades into his company...... that first bit is a worry.....

I think he's Charles Manson on parole...

"Psychology works" but is totally delusional when it becomes to religion Cheesy

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Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia?
Reply #77 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Bam wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 8:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

you engage in a ridiculous style of debate because you dont like being beaten or asked to explain yourself. maybe your fell-travellers are content with your drivel but I am not. you hate business, you hate business owners and are diabolically envious of rich people.

bad luck. I am both.

No you're not. You're a 57-year-old man from South Australia who sells DVDs on eBay.

Do tell us more Wink

So Longy is an Ebay seller not a university professor. Grin

It kind of makes sense the way he is totally dismissive of the NBN and peoples ability to easily download movies rather than buy them from him Wink

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Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia?
Reply #78 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:24pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

I see the renters who could never afford to buy a home want to tax those who could by putting a tax on the family home.

People can't afford housing in this country because of all of the corporate welfare dished out to landlords under the guise of helping out renters. All it has done is just over-inflate house prices and rent Sad

Besides, it's this conservative government that wants to tax the family home, especially in retirement via pension cuts for owning too much, and this after getting not a thing while paying off a mortgage for years .... this is quite distinct from investment properties

The posters who want to bring in a new tax for home owners are green supporters and leftists.

Making homeowners pay land tax is a new tax.

Cutting government waste with spending is a better option to bringing in new taxes.

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Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia?
Reply #79 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 4:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Bam wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 8:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

you engage in a ridiculous style of debate because you dont like being beaten or asked to explain yourself. maybe your fell-travellers are content with your drivel but I am not. you hate business, you hate business owners and are diabolically envious of rich people.

bad luck. I am both.

No you're not. You're a 57-year-old man from South Australia who sells DVDs on eBay.

Do tell us more Wink

So Longy is an Ebay seller not a university professor. Grin

I don't believe he ever claimed to be a uni lecturer ... he said he holds training seminars and advises on waterways etc ... occasionally he hires phd's etc to lecture at these seminars.

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Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia?
Reply #80 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 4:27pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

I see the renters who could never afford to buy a home want to tax those who could by putting a tax on the family home.

People can't afford housing in this country because of all of the corporate welfare dished out to landlords under the guise of helping out renters. All it has done is just over-inflate house prices and rent Sad

Besides, it's this conservative government that wants to tax the family home, especially in retirement via pension cuts for owning too much, and this after getting not a thing while paying off a mortgage for years .... this is quite distinct from investment properties

The posters who want to bring in a new tax for home owners are green supporters and leftists.

Making homeowners pay land tax is a new tax.

Cutting government waste with spending is a better option to bringing in new taxes.

don't be such a drama queen .. the general gist of the conversation is that land tax replace stamp duty. Many places already have land tax ... it's not new at all.

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Reply #81 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:54pm

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

Bam wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Bam wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Implementing land tax would be a good idea if it replaced stamp duty.

The current tax regime is inefficient and unbalanced. People often pay tens of thousands of dollars to change houses, which they often must do for work reasons. The punitive tax on moving house also causes people to hold on to houses they would be better off selling (eg: empty nesters) and it causes the housing stock to be inefficiently allocated. Meanwhile, other people who hold on to houses for decades pay no tax at all.

Introducing land tax and reducing stamp duty to a level that only covers the administration costs of the title transfer would broaden the tax base and allow housing stock to be allocated more efficiently.

See also: Chapter 6: Land and resource taxes (Henry Tax Review, December 2009)

only if not retrospective. we've already paid stamp duty an now u think we should pay land tax as well? find for new purchases or perhaps those who ahve not been sold for 30 years or more. otherwise it is just a merciless tax grab and we know stamp durty will return anyhow.

There would need to be sensible transitional arrangements. I wouldn't support introducing land tax if its introduction meant someone could pay land tax at the full rate right after paying stamp duty at the full rate.

The ACT are phasing in land tax over 20 years by progressively reducing stamp duty and introducing land tax at the same time.

Another way to do it would be to treat stamp duty as a pre-payment of land tax so anyone who paid stamp duty recently was exempt from land tax until the accrued land tax since stamp duty was paid exceeded the stamp duty paid.

or do away with stamp duty and payroll tax entirely by widening the GST. that way the load is shared by all.

The tax burden would also be shared by all if land tax was levied on all properties but it is a better solution because it's not a great big tax whack on low-income people like the GST is.

your iq has obviously taken a turn for the worse. how can it be 'shared by all' if it is only paid by landowners??

Do you seriously think landlords won't pass on their costs?

I also notice that you've not made any constructive contributions to this discussion, but just criticised other people's contributions laced with your usual personal abuse. I suggest you start acting like a grown-up and make some remarks on your views about land tax and stamp duty. Which do you think is better and why?

land tax is the same in a house of one as in a house with 15. it is NOT equal.

Now your arguments are getting quite silly. Let's fit 15 people into a one-bedroom flat, yeah right. Roll Eyes

I am sure if you tried you could become more stupid and foolish. the above is an example of some of your better work to that end

And as always you resort to personal attacks when being soundly beaten in a discussion. I accept your surrender. Let's discuss the terms of your surrender. You can start by posting some opinions of your own rather than bagging other people's, refraining from making any more personal attacks and start acting like an adult.

you engage in a ridiculous style of debate because you dont like being beaten or asked to explain yourself. maybe your fell-travellers are content with your drivel but I am not. you hate business, you hate business owners and are diabolically envious of rich people.

bad luck. I am both. and i can eat you alive in any debate and have.

must suck not to be able to ban me like in your old defunct forum you and your 5 other mates had.

idjit.

Do you really think personal attacks are a valid debating style?

Reported.

and the cry-baby whining continues....

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85060 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia? Reply #82 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 6:17pm As do the childish ripostes... oh, well - it was quiet and peaceful for a day or two.... now we've got Longy and mania back and matty lurking somewhere on the sidelines... Should be a fun few days..
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Reply #83 - Dec 31^st, 2015 at 5:21pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

or do away with stamp duty and payroll tax entirely by widening the GST

Is that not a merciless tax grab? Cheesy

nope. everyone pays it equally.

bullsh1t .... those with the money get around the GST the same way they do now.

why dont you enlighten us, stupid-one about how that takes place?

idiot.

you've never claimed back the gst for your home printer through your business longie? Cheesy

you're so stupid you don't even know what you are doing! Grin

no. obviously you are a tax theif which surprises no one.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35522 Gender:	Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia? Reply #84 - Dec 31^st, 2015 at 5:39pm *thief
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia? Reply #85 - Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:25pm mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 5:39pm: *thief you finally found a response to match the depth of your thinking... you are officially a mindless spell checker.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35522 Gender:	Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia? Reply #86 - Dec 31^st, 2015 at 8:24pm longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:25pm: mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 5:39pm: *thief you finally found a response to match the depth of your thinking... you are officially a mindless spell checker. No need to get hostile because you have trouble spelling, Longy. Year 4 English, innit?
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Universal Land Tax for Australia? Reply #87 - Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:14pm longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:25pm: mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 5:39pm: *thief you finally found a response to match the depth of your thinking... you are officially a mindless spell checker. Happens to the best of us mate http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/i-before-e-except-after-c
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