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Reply #15 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 2:33pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 12:30pm:
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aussie100percent wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 10:49am:
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What about the ones that live near the train station?.  So now they want the train fair for these people, and an increase in rates, for those that live near the station.   Sad


If the property value increases then the rates increase anyway....


Bloody user pay F!FS  increase the ticket PRICE TO COVER THE COST  USER PAYS Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry



NO!

Obviously you have no concept of the idea of providing a PUBLIC SERVICE.

Take your 'user pays' idea and move to the USA...


When I lived in Boston I would catch the T (tram) for $1 it would take me everywhere in that city and even to Logan airport for $1.

Is that an example of user pays in the USA  Smiley

You can catch light rail for $1 in Boston in 2015, why is government run public transport so expensive in Australia?

The population density in our major cities is low.
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Reply #16 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 2:34pm
 
aussie100percent wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 12:43pm:
Kat wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
aussie100percent wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 10:49am:
Swagman wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 10:39am:
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What about the ones that live near the train station?.  So now they want the train fair for these people, and an increase in rates, for those that live near the station.   Sad


If the property value increases then the rates increase anyway....


Bloody user pay F!FS  increase the ticket PRICE TO COVER THE COST  USER PAYS Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry



NO!

Obviously you have no concept of the idea of providing a PUBLIC SERVICE.

Take your 'user pays' idea and move to the USA...

Mussolini may have made the trains run on time, but not even he could make
passenger services pay for themselves - user-pays or not.

Freight should subsidise passenger services - it's simple math.


You crunts want every thing for nothing..Who pays for your petrol ..you do    If you want a figging train pay for it    Angry Angry Angry Angry

That's why they sell tickets to travel on the train.  Wink
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Reply #17 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 4:14pm
 
Live Near A Train Station, Then Pay More Rates

is that to cover the damage to the property due to constant vibrations caused by the trains running?
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Reply #18 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 4:53pm
 
We seem to have that many stupid ideas these days that it isn't even a surprise.

This suggestion is stupid stupid stupid but it would not even rate in the top ten stupid list for this month and that is just sad.
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Reply #19 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 4:55pm
 
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You live in an area your whole life they build a station that you don't want and will never use and they think you should pay additional rates for the inconvenience, unbelievable.
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Reply #20 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 4:57pm
 
I remember when noisy blocks of land near to train lines were as cheap as you could get and nobody wanted them anyway.
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Reply #21 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 5:15pm
 
do only people who live near trains... use them???....

what about a bus stop???.......I mean whats nicer than having a bus pull up with airbrakes. huffing and puffing..every hour on the hour.....better close the blinds the driver can see right in...

blimey and I am paying more for this... Grin Grin

its time everyone got used to the idea... every govt is DESPERATE for YOUR MONEY...


and they will find everyway and whichway to put a tax on everything you use or in this case dont use...

the fact that it is there and you can use it... is what matters....

they want cyclists to use their bikes more... leave the car at home... then they work out they are missing out on parking fees....and probably fines.....oops

lets register bikes... Smiley Smiley as well as fine them when they are naughty....good one.... Wink Wink

it had to happen...
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Reply #22 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
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Advocacy group says residents who live near a rail station should pay more rates   Sad

Date
    December 24, 2015
    Sydney Morning Herald

Residents who live within 800 metres of a new light rail or train station would pay extra council rates, under a model proposed to fund public transport in the future.   Sad

In a report released on Wednesday, advocacy group the Committee for Sydney called for residents who lived within a 10-minute walk from new stations to pay a levy to fund the construction and ongoing maintenance of transport routes.
The Committee for Sydney says a 'residential area levy' could be used to fund a light rail route through Green Square.

The Committee for Sydney says a 'residential area levy' could be used to fund a light rail route through Green Square. 

Committee chief executive Tim Williams said the annual "residential area levy" would allow the surge in land value which property owners experience when public transport is built nearby to be captured and reinvested into the project.

"It's like a boiling a frog slowly so they don't actually feel the pain," Dr Williams said.

"So it's the idea of a long-term but small annual contribution to the infrastructure. You need a long-term kind of slow release approach so the people don't object. This is a way of getting community buy-in because the levy would actually be the equivalent of buying a couple of crates of beer a year."


'This is a way of getting community buy-in,' says Committee for Sydney chairman Tim Williams.

Public transport is a perpetual drain on the state government's wallet. Ticket sales only cover 33 per cent of Sydney Train's operating costs, according to analysis by SGS Economics and Planning. Fare box revenue covers 90 per cent of operating costs for the London Underground.

As a result, the report said, governments were more tempted to fund motorways than railways because they could regain their costs through tolls.   Sad

But well-planned public transport can increase land value by up to 50 per cent and the proposed levy is a form of "value capture" – a broad term for a finance mechanism that aims to seize this windfall gain.

Under the committee's model, property owners within a five-minute walk, or 400 metres, would pay higher council rates, while those within a 10-minute walk, or 800 metres, would have a smaller rate rise.   Sad

The report proposed using the levy to fund the construction of a light rail through Green Square, which will become the densest precinct in the country when a flood of development is completed in the next 15 years.

If residents who lived within walking distance of the light rail paid a "special rate" of $400 a year, more than $12 million in revenue could be raised each year to go towards the project.

Even if the land value increased by as little as 10 per cent when the rail line was built, based on the average dwelling price in the area, property owners would receive a windfall gain of about $80,000.

"This is a long-term funding model … for the community that benefits from infrastructure to pay more for it," Dr Williams said.

Value capture has become an increasingly hot topic, with both the state and federal government investigating how it could be used to fund public transport, including the construction of a rail link to the proposed airport at Badgerys Creek.

Sydney Metro Northwest, the high-speed rail line that will run between Rouse Hill and Chatswood, is considered by many as a missed opportunity for "value capture", with land owners along the route experiencing significant untapped gains in land value.

In the past month, the state government has announced that a new light rail from Parramatta to Strathfield via Sydney Olympic Park and the development of a new train station and land in Waterloo would be funded by "value capture" through a Special Infrastructure Contribution.

Dr Williams said the flaw with this model was the levy applied only to developers, rather than the wider community who would benefit from the new transport, and that it was a one-off payment rather than an ongoing revenue stream.

The Committee for Sydney was previously chaired by Lucy Turnbull, the wife of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, who resigned earlier this month to head up the Greater Sydney Commission.



Does this idiotic group actually think that having a train line next to your house increases its value?  Instead of charging captive taxpayers, how about making commuters pay for the service they consume. Wow... there's an idea!
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Re: Live Near A Train Station, Then Pay More Rates
Reply #23 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 6:18pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
I remember when noisy blocks of land near to train lines were as cheap as you could get and
nobody wanted them anyway
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Well, I would.

But I admit that, as both an ex-railwayman (Guard) and a rail-enthusiast, I'm
basically used to them.

I used to live opposite the old goods-yard and station at Mittagong - the trains
never bothered me, but drove the missus and the tackers absolutely batsh1t.
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Reply #24 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 6:42pm
 
Kat wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
I remember when noisy blocks of land near to train lines were as cheap as you could get and
nobody wanted them anyway
.


Well, I would.

But I admit that, as both an ex-railwayman (Guard) and a rail-enthusiast, I'm
basically used to them.

I used to live opposite the old goods-yard and station at Mittagong - the trains
never bothered me, but drove the missus and the tackers absolutely batsh1t.


My grandmother lived near a train line - my favourites were the last passenger train - the 2am one and especially the first goods train around 4:30 am we called it the house shaker. A number of people in the street admitted to almost sleeping through it, funny thing was that you didn't really sleep right through it because if you were not awake it was probably going to shake you out of the bed. It was great fun.

They are a lot quieter now.
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Reply #25 - Dec 29th, 2015 at 8:16am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Kat wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
I remember when noisy blocks of land near to train lines were as cheap as you could get and
nobody wanted them anyway
.


Well, I would.

But I admit that, as both an ex-railwayman (Guard) and a rail-enthusiast, I'm
basically used to them.

I used to live opposite the old goods-yard and station at Mittagong - the trains
never bothered me, but drove the missus and the tackers absolutely batsh1t.


My grandmother lived near a train line - my favourites were the last passenger train - the 2am one and especially the first goods train around 4:30 am we called it the house shaker. A number of people in the street admitted to almost sleeping through it, funny thing was that you didn't really sleep right through it because if you were not awake it was probably going to shake you out of the bed. It was great fun.

They are a lot quieter now.



Wouldn't you love to be taxed specifically for the 'convenience' of living next to a rail line?
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Reply #26 - Dec 29th, 2015 at 9:50am
 
User pays - you get all that free noise and disturbance.... you get extra police attention because of cars at parking stations being broken in to etc..... you pay for it....
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Reply #27 - Dec 29th, 2015 at 10:36am
 
Why not a surcharge on any bus or taxi that goes near a rail line ?

It is about as stupid an idea.
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Reply #28 - Dec 29th, 2015 at 8:33pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 29th, 2015 at 10:36am:
Why not a surcharge on any bus or taxi that goes near a rail line ?

It is about as stupid an idea.

Or a surcharge for living near a freeway.
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Reply #29 - Dec 30th, 2015 at 9:56am
 
surely you should get a rate reduction due to having to negotiate so many level crossings
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