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Reply #105 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:26pm

Unions need to be reformed....Union officials should be subject to the same rules that apply to company directors....The behaviour of some union officials (Thomson /Jackson) and others shows unions need to be subjected to standards they cannot maintain without regulation....Regular independent published audits and clear expenditure guidelines would be a good start....Unions have brought this onto themselves and deserve all the criticism they are getting IMO!!!

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Reply #106 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:26pm:

Unions need to be reformed....Union officials should be subject to the same rules that apply to company directors....The behaviour of some union officials (Thomson /Jackson) and others shows unions need to be subjected to standards they cannot maintain without regulation....Regular independent published audits and clear expenditure guidelines would be a good start....Unions have brought this onto themselves and deserve all the criticism they are getting IMO!!!

I have no problem with a consistent and balanced approach. Making unions as accountable as companies and other organisations is not unreasonable.

The TURC's recommendations go far beyond what is necessary to achieve this outcome. The recommendations include one where the Parliament - and Parliament alone - would pass a law against specific people. That's a serious overreach and is not likely to stand scrutiny when it is inevitably appealed to the High Court. Parliament is not permitted to declare people guilty and then impose sanctions against them. That's the job of the courts. That's why Menzies' attempt to outlaw the Communist party failed.

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #107 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:52pm:

the car workers union demanded 6 additional weeks PER YEAR for training for its union organisers.

you never heard of an ambit claim you idiot?

it wasnt an AMBIT CLAIM, FOOL. they have had it for many years.

damn you are stupid.

What is it again Longy - either they were demanding 6 additional weeks or they had had it for years ?

Contradictory much ?

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #108 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:55pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:26pm:

Unions need to be reformed....Union officials should be subject to the same rules that apply to company directors....The behaviour of some union officials (Thomson /Jackson) and others shows unions need to be subjected to standards they cannot maintain without regulation....Regular independent published audits and clear expenditure guidelines would be a good start....Unions have brought this onto themselves and deserve all the criticism they are getting IMO!!!

but they deny everything phil.....and a few look at grap claim the Royal found nothing wrong....

if shortarse was fair dinkum...he would back Heyden all the way... well almost all the way....

he of all people would know the extent of what is going on.....

I do know of someone who is a contractor in ACT who has had dealing with Lomax....its rife... and its wrong...

if they people like Lomax did this working for say Neddy Smith they would be in jail.. but they work for the unions.. a protected species... and as we know they get worse because they know they can get away with it...what company is going to charge a stand over man with blackmail.. knowing full well he has the might of the Union standing behind him?..

it isnt going to happen is it?......these companies will pay up....it does after all mean their entire business is at stake....

I am very glad to see you claim the Unions have brought this on themselves... I am so sick of the
witch hunt chorus..

if there was nothing to find.... there wouldnt be a royal in the first place....

people dont go into these things blindfolded after all.

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Reply #109 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:35pm

Bam wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:41pm:

The TURC's recommendations go far beyond what is necessary to achieve this outcome. The recommendations include one where the Parliament - and Parliament alone - would pass a law against specific people. That's a serious overreach and is not likely to stand scrutiny when it is inevitably appealed to the High Court. Parliament is not permitted to declare people guilty and then impose sanctions against them. That's the job of the courts. That's why Menzies' attempt to outlaw the Communist party failed.

Please post the exact recommendation

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #110 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:26pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:41pm:

The TURC's recommendations go far beyond what is necessary to achieve this outcome. The recommendations include one where the Parliament - and Parliament alone - would pass a law against specific people. That's a serious overreach and is not likely to stand scrutiny when it is inevitably appealed to the High Court. Parliament is not permitted to declare people guilty and then impose sanctions against them. That's the job of the courts. That's why Menzies' attempt to outlaw the Communist party failed.

Please post the exact recommendation

Why don't you post it if you like.

What he said is about right.

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #111 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:48pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:41pm:

The TURC's recommendations go far beyond what is necessary to achieve this outcome. The recommendations include one where the Parliament - and Parliament alone - would pass a law against specific people. That's a serious overreach and is not likely to stand scrutiny when it is inevitably appealed to the High Court. Parliament is not permitted to declare people guilty and then impose sanctions against them. That's the job of the courts. That's why Menzies' attempt to outlaw the Communist party failed.

Please post the exact recommendation

Next time do it yourself.

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Recommendation 60:

For the purpose of seeking to combat the culture of disregard for the law within the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union, consideration be given to the enactment of special legislation disqualifying those officers of the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union that Parliament considers are not fit and proper persons from holding office in any registered organisation or branch for a specified period.

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #112 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 12:23am

cods wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:26pm:

Unions need to be reformed....Union officials should be subject to the same rules that apply to company directors....The behaviour of some union officials (Thomson /Jackson) and others shows unions need to be subjected to standards they cannot maintain without regulation....Regular independent published audits and clear expenditure guidelines would be a good start....Unions have brought this onto themselves and deserve all the criticism they are getting IMO!!!

but they deny everything phil.....and a few look at grap claim the Royal found nothing wrong....

if shortarse was fair dinkum...he would back Heyden all the way... well almost all the way....

he of all people would know the extent of what is going on.....

I do know of someone who is a contractor in ACT who has had dealing with Lomax....its rife... and its wrong...

if they people like Lomax did this working for say Neddy Smith they would be in jail.. but they work for the unions.. a protected species... and as we know they get worse because they know they can get away with it...what company is going to charge a stand over man with blackmail.. knowing full well he has the might of the Union standing behind him?..

it isnt going to happen is it?......these companies will pay up....it does after all mean their entire business is at stake....

I am very glad to see you claim the Unions have brought this on themselves... I am so sick of the
witch hunt chorus..

if there was nothing to find.... there wouldnt be a royal in the first place....

people dont go into these things blindfolded after all.

Dear, dear cods - the rc didn't find anything new against Thomson/Jackson, and next to buggar all but a lot of suppositions against others.... most of which will never reach the courts or will be dropped.

Get back to me once the fallout has dried into dung heaps on the ground.

Kindly do not misrepresent what I've said.

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #113 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 12:26am

Downe at Ye Olde Can Garoo Court:-

"Docket number 14573 Yer 'Onnah' - people v Lomax on a charge of over-enthusiastic negotiation.... "

"How do you plead, Mr Lomax"

"Not Guilty".

"I agree - this case has no merit... next case....

Fer Chrissakes, cods - the charges against Lomax were dropped... got that?

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #114 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 12:29am

cods wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:55pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:39am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:36pm:

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On Thursday Mr Shorten, who is on leave and did not front the media on Wednesday, tweeted: "If Mr Turnbull and his Liberals want to fight an election on industrial relations, bring it on. We won on WorkChoices & we'll win again."

He followed by adding: "Labor will always fight for workers, decent pay & conditions. Mr Turnbull & his Liberals will fight for big business & to cut penalty rates." Sad

The Royal Commission was about UNION CORRUPTION

Shorten tried to change the topic by saying INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Shorten actually thinks voters are too stupid to see this childish trick

The royal commission was to look into the possibility of union corruption - in which endeavour it has signally failed.

It was not to 'about union corruption' - but rather to find out if there was any.. and the results are not worth the paper it is written on.

failed to find corruption??? you really are quite the idiot at times and then there are moments like this when much bigger, longer and banned words applied

you are one stupid fool.

they are such an embarrassment.. their heads up their bums so far as far as the UNIONS are concerned...they just keep on pretending.. they are in fact a branch of the Mother Teresa foundation.. Grin

scary stuff.

This from Longy and cods..... Grin

Get back to me, turkeys, when the final charges are finished.... and don't include Thomson and Jackson as the rc did - those matters were well in hand long before the rc was even an Abbott wet dream...

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #115 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:43am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:41pm:

The TURC's recommendations go far beyond what is necessary to achieve this outcome. The recommendations include one where the Parliament - and Parliament alone - would pass a law against specific people. That's a serious overreach and is not likely to stand scrutiny when it is inevitably appealed to the High Court. Parliament is not permitted to declare people guilty and then impose sanctions against them. That's the job of the courts. That's why Menzies' attempt to outlaw the Communist party failed.

Please post the exact recommendation

I already have - see Reply #27 (Recommendation 60)

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #116 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:55am

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:52pm:

the car workers union demanded 6 additional weeks PER YEAR for training for its union organisers.

you never heard of an ambit claim you idiot?

it wasnt an AMBIT CLAIM, FOOL. they have had it for many years.

damn you are stupid.

or (pay attention now) perhaps I'm just so used to your making bullsh1t claims that no one believes you anymore?

nah you are just an ignorant more-on who knows nothing about anything and yet keeps talking.

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #117 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:57am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 12:29am:

cods wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:55pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:39am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:36pm:

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On Thursday Mr Shorten, who is on leave and did not front the media on Wednesday, tweeted: "If Mr Turnbull and his Liberals want to fight an election on industrial relations, bring it on. We won on WorkChoices & we'll win again."

He followed by adding: "Labor will always fight for workers, decent pay & conditions. Mr Turnbull & his Liberals will fight for big business & to cut penalty rates." Sad

The Royal Commission was about UNION CORRUPTION

Shorten tried to change the topic by saying INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Shorten actually thinks voters are too stupid to see this childish trick

The royal commission was to look into the possibility of union corruption - in which endeavour it has signally failed.

It was not to 'about union corruption' - but rather to find out if there was any.. and the results are not worth the paper it is written on.

failed to find corruption??? you really are quite the idiot at times and then there are moments like this when much bigger, longer and banned words applied

you are one stupid fool.

they are such an embarrassment.. their heads up their bums so far as far as the UNIONS are concerned...they just keep on pretending.. they are in fact a branch of the Mother Teresa foundation.. Grin

scary stuff.

This from Longy and cods..... Grin

Get back to me, turkeys, when the final charges are finished.... and don't include Thomson and Jackson as the rc did - those matters were well in hand long before the rc was even an Abbott wet dream...

hilarious.........keep dreaming then

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Reply #118 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:12am

[quote author=The_Grappler link=1451591727/113#113 date=1451744767]

Downe at Ye Olde Can Garoo Court:-

"Docket number 14573 Yer 'Onnah' - people v Lomax on a charge of over-enthusiastic negotiation.... "

"How do you plead, Mr Lomax"

"Not Guilty".

"I agree - this case has no merit... next case....

Fer Chrissakes, cods - the charges against Lomax were dropped... got that?[/quote]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/john-lomax-knew-of-claims-cfmeus-fihi-k...

yeah a real sweetheart of a guy!!!!

right up your street....

as you well knwo.. or maybe you dont..

for the police to act they have to have someone stand up in court and poin t the finger..

have a little read of this guy and ask yourself... would you risk everything..knowing full well he has almost an army out there backing him up?????>.. Angry

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75369 Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform Reply #119 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:32am cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:12am: for the police to act they have to have someone stand up in court and poin t the finger.. no, they need evidence ... maybe you've heard of it before?
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