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Reply #135 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #136 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:35am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

You didn't seem to take that point of view when it was Abbott being looked at.

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #137 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:51am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:16pm:

for goodness sake Bam

Now you are introducing the words "particular people". There's nowhere in the recommendation or legislation that mentioned "particular people"

Bullshıt. What do you think "those officers" means? Some "officers" chosen at random?

Do you have a problem understanding English?

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:16pm:

Read my post again and refer to the relevant legislation I quoted as well as Recommendation 25 before replying

Understand the definition of "OFFICER" before replying

Again, this is irrelevant. You are wilfully ignoring the qualifier. "THOSE".

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #138 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:57am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

Considering it was a witch hunt specifically targeting him it is a good result.

Apparently now being found innocent isn't good enough.

They didn't even need to test if he were innocent as there was no charge where he could be found guilty.

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #139 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

you idiot .... he was cleared of any unlawful or criminal conduct ..everything else is just you flapping your gums with your useless opinion

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #140 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

Considering it was a witch hunt specifically targeting him it is a good result.

Apparently now being found innocent isn't good enough.

They didn't even need to test if he were innocent as there was no charge where he could be found guilty.

THERE'S your paranoia!! btw mr 14% (shorten) has obviously been viewed by the electorate as untrustworthy.

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #141 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:49pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

you idiot .... he was cleared of any unlawful or criminal conduct ..everything else is just you flapping your gums with your useless opinion

I guess when you were last sacked your reference said "he was cleared of any unlawful or criminal conduct" i bet you dont show that to anyone. I wonder why?

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #142 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

Considering it was a witch hunt specifically targeting him it is a good result.

Apparently now being found innocent isn't good enough.

They didn't even need to test if he were innocent as there was no charge where he could be found guilty.

THERE'S your paranoia!! btw mr 14% (shorten) has obviously been viewed by the electorate as untrustworthy.

John Smith put it most elegantly:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02am:

you idiot .... he was cleared of any unlawful or criminal conduct ..everything else is just you flapping your gums with your useless opinion

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Reply #144 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:06pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:12am:

"persons" is the term used in the recommendation - it means the same thing.

Wrong again!

You haven't even read the recommendations Grin

In reply # 111 I posted the term for your lazy self. Recommendation 60:

If I hadn't red the document how did I find it or know about it ?

Wrong again!

No I am not wrong you clearly have no idea how irrelevant your position is.

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Reply #145 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #146 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

I guess when you were last sacked your reference said "he was cleared of any unlawful or criminal conduct" i bet you dont show that to anyone. I wonder why?

Told yez Longy argues like a woman - kitchen sink and all.... nothing is held back from an argument... if you have nothing pick up that sink and fling it gleefully..... loving dogs will get you the title 'Hitler' ...... fortunately I had a mother who was a raging schiz so I know the type.

(awaits Longmania's comeback with bated breath.... I love to set them up for a riposte)....

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Reply #147 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

So when did he engage in criminal or unlawful conduct?

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Reply #148 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:43pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:11pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Shorten squeaked through the Trade Union Royal Commission and I don't think I'm the only one left scratching their heads about how he walked out unscathed.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-cleared-by-roya...

A glorified parking inspector from the Blue Mountains knows better though.

you dont get the point. if the best you can do is to say he didnt do anything illegal then you know you are in trouble. it wasnt illegal to misrepresent his members and do side-deals with companies. but it damned sure was unethical and a breach of the job he was paid to do. but no, it wasnt illegal - perhaps the most damning indictment of all.

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

as I said... the faintest of praise at best. yep, he didnt break any laws... do you get all excited and proud when someone says of your tenure in a job that you didnt break any laws? Its the kind of thing people say at funerals when a persons life is insignificant and acheivement free while bing a total scumbag to everyone 'at least he didnt break any laws'

"The trade union royal commission's top lawyer has found Labor leader Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawlul conduct following an exhaustive investigation into his conduct during his years with the Australian Workers Union."

So when did he engage in criminal or unlawful conduct?

I see what you did there Wink

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59447 Here Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform Reply #149 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 10:28am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:43pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:05pm: So when did he engage in criminal or unlawful conduct? I see what you did there Yes it was sneaky - he asked a question.
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