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Reply #75 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:22am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:29am:
you probably claimed paranoia when we were telling you prior to the last election that abbott couldn't keep his promises of no cuts to anything and still reach a surplus, like he was claiming at the time ..



Probably not. I've been around long enough to understand a few things -

a. All politicians lie. Especially at election time.

b. No political party is as bad as smeared by the opposition party.

c. You have to have a good scare campaign to get elected.

"The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made. "

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Reply #76 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:05pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:39am:
Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:36pm:
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On Thursday Mr Shorten, who is on leave and did not front the media on Wednesday, tweeted: "If Mr Turnbull and his Liberals want to fight an election on industrial relations, bring it on. We won on WorkChoices & we'll win again."

He followed by adding: "Labor will always fight for workers, decent pay & conditions. Mr Turnbull & his Liberals will fight for big business & to cut penalty rates."   Sad


The Royal Commission was about UNION CORRUPTION

Shorten tried to change the topic by saying INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Shorten actually thinks voters are too stupid to see this childish trick



The royal commission was to look into the possibility of union corruption - in which endeavour it has signally failed.

It was not to 'about union corruption' - but rather to find out if there was any.. and the results are not worth the paper it is written on.


Jackson's name appeared on the prosecution recommended list.

If it has failed then why was Jackson prosecuted?

If it's not worth the paper it's written on - certainly Thommo and Jackson disagree with you
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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #77 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:16pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:39am:
Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:36pm:
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On Thursday Mr Shorten, who is on leave and did not front the media on Wednesday, tweeted: "If Mr Turnbull and his Liberals want to fight an election on industrial relations, bring it on. We won on WorkChoices & we'll win again."

He followed by adding: "Labor will always fight for workers, decent pay & conditions. Mr Turnbull & his Liberals will fight for big business & to cut penalty rates."   Sad


The Royal Commission was about UNION CORRUPTION

Shorten tried to change the topic by saying INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Shorten actually thinks voters are too stupid to see this childish trick



The royal commission was to look into the possibility of union corruption - in which endeavour it has signally failed.

funniest thing I have read in a long time

It was not to 'about union corruption' - but rather to find out if there was any.. and the results are not worth the paper it is written on.


Jackson's name appeared on the prosecution recommended list.

If it has failed then why was Jackson prosecuted?

If it's not worth the paper it's written on - certainly Thommo and Jackson disagree with you



hilarious poor old grap he doesnt think over 20 people working for UNIONS are under investigation or being at least pointed in that direction by a ROYAL COMM is finding any Corruption within.. Grin Grin Grin Grin

its almost comical isnt it the way the lefties dodge the crisis in their set up..

labor is the unions..

the union is labor..

they are like Laurel and Hardy... one is no good without the other..

but they will never admit it....

I think its a hoot.. the more they defend the funnier it gets..
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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #78 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:20pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:22am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:29am:
you probably claimed paranoia when we were telling you prior to the last election that abbott couldn't keep his promises of no cuts to anything and still reach a surplus, like he was claiming at the time ..



Probably not. I've been around long enough to understand a few things -

a. All politicians lie. Especially at election time.

b. No political party is as bad as smeared by the opposition party.

c. You have to have a good scare campaign to get elected.

"The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made. "

Jean Giraudoux (29 October 1882 – 31 January 1944)



I remember reading somewhere.. that labor set Abbott up before the election.. they knew they couldnt win.. and they did stuff that would leave a massive hole for him to fill.....it may have had something to do with NDIS ... something that he couldnt back away from.. they of course were the only ones that also knew what state the finances were with the country...

didnt you notice how quiet swan went before the election.......

thats how much they care about the country...
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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #79 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:20pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:16pm:
hilarious poor old grap he doesnt think over 20 people working for UNIONS are under investigation or being at least pointed in that direction by a ROYAL COMM is finding any Corruption within.. Grin Grin Grin Grin

its almost comical isnt it the way the lefties dodge the crisis in their set up..

labor is the unions..

the union is labor..

they are like Laurel and Hardy... one is no good without the other..

but they will never admit it....

I think its a hoot.. the more they defend the funnier it gets..


This is why Shorten's response was so hilarious

The Royal Commission talks about UNION CORRUPTION and recommendation on how to tackle UNION CORRUPTION

Turnbull ask Shorten/Labor/Union to take up the recommendation

Shorten's reply - this is about Workchoices  Grin Grin

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Reply #80 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:37pm
 
Workchoices.   Shocked   Shocked   Shocked   Shocked   Shocked
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Reply #81 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:25pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:16pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:39am:
Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:36pm:
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On Thursday Mr Shorten, who is on leave and did not front the media on Wednesday, tweeted: "If Mr Turnbull and his Liberals want to fight an election on industrial relations, bring it on. We won on WorkChoices & we'll win again."

He followed by adding: "Labor will always fight for workers, decent pay & conditions. Mr Turnbull & his Liberals will fight for big business & to cut penalty rates."   Sad


The Royal Commission was about UNION CORRUPTION

Shorten tried to change the topic by saying INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Shorten actually thinks voters are too stupid to see this childish trick



The royal commission was to look into the possibility of union corruption - in which endeavour it has signally failed.

funniest thing I have read in a long time

It was not to 'about union corruption' - but rather to find out if there was any.. and the results are not worth the paper it is written on.


Jackson's name appeared on the prosecution recommended list.

If it has failed then why was Jackson prosecuted?

If it's not worth the paper it's written on - certainly Thommo and Jackson disagree with you



hilarious poor old grap he doesnt think over 20 people working for UNIONS are under investigation or being at least pointed in that direction by a ROYAL COMM is finding any Corruption within.. Grin Grin Grin Grin

its almost comical isnt it the way the lefties dodge the crisis in their set up..

labor is the unions..

the union is labor..

they are like Laurel and Hardy... one is no good without the other..

but they will never admit it....

I think its a hoot.. the more they defend the funnier it gets..


Thomson and Jackson were in the spotlight before any 'royal commission'

"The Health Services Union expenses affair was an Australian political scandal that concerned criminal activities associated with the financial affairs of the Health Services Union of Australia (HSU), between 2006 and 2007; and the Health Services Union "east branch" (HSUeast) between 2006 and 2011.[12][13]

Following regulatory and administrative investigations, criminal trials and a subsequent appeal, on 15 December 2014 Craig Thomson, a former national secretary of the HSU and a former Labor politician, was found guilty in the Victorian County Court of thirteen charges of theft, and later convicted and fined A$25,000.[7][8] Other charges of obtaining financial advantage by deception were dismissed on appeal.[1]"

"Succeeding Thomson as general secretary of the HSU in
January 2008
, Kathy Jackson identified financial irregularities in the union's accounts and engaged external auditors to investigate."  Hello - what part of 2008 do you NOT understand?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Services_Union_expenses_affair#cite_note-AB...

I know several of you have serious issues with english language and with reading - but try reading it.....

"In 2011 the Union Council of the HSUeast branch resolved to commence an investigation into the financial affairs of the branch; and sought counsel from the President of the New South Wales Bar Association to select an independent panel of experts to investigate:[37]

    adequacy of governance arrangements and business practices of HSUeast;
    access to financial and business related information for union members to ensure transparency and scrutiny;
    policies and procedures and potential conflicts of interest for office bearers, or staff that hold directorships or shares/ownership in companies that supply goods to HSUeast;
    policies around the use of HSUeast credit cards; and
    other matters the panel deems appropriate."

What part of 2011 do you NOT understand - the time at which the Union itself launched action against wrongdoing?

Jackson is only on the 'to charge' list now because her Pussy Pass and Weasel Pass have both expired, and she is now being thrown to the wolves instead of being treated as the darling of the LNP.

(not that there's anything wrong with that).....

Jackson was already in the sights and tried to weasel out by turncoating to the royal commission.... the 'royal commission' even including Thomo and Jacko is nothing more than a puny attempt to pad out the 'evils' uncovered and make it look like the commission actually did something.

They were NOT charged as a result of any 'royal commission' - and so far the charges against other are few and most likely to fail, and the rest is just suggestions and innuendo.

Get a grip.... I know it's hard for some.
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Re: Bill Shorten Responded To Turnbulls Union Reform
Reply #82 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:01pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:25pm:
"Succeeding Thomson as general secretary of the HSU in January 2008
, Kathy Jackson identified financial irregularities in the union's accounts and engaged external auditors to investigate."  Hello - what part of 2008 do you NOT understand?



What part of endemic union corruption don't you understand?
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Reply #83 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:02pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:25pm:
cods wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:16pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:39am:
Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:36pm:
Quote:
On Thursday Mr Shorten, who is on leave and did not front the media on Wednesday, tweeted: "If Mr Turnbull and his Liberals want to fight an election on industrial relations, bring it on. We won on WorkChoices & we'll win again."

He followed by adding: "Labor will always fight for workers, decent pay & conditions. Mr Turnbull & his Liberals will fight for big business & to cut penalty rates."   Sad


The Royal Commission was about UNION CORRUPTION

Shorten tried to change the topic by saying INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Shorten actually thinks voters are too stupid to see this childish trick



The royal commission was to look into the possibility of union corruption - in which endeavour it has signally failed.

funniest thing I have read in a long time

It was not to 'about union corruption' - but rather to find out if there was any.. and the results are not worth the paper it is written on.


Jackson's name appeared on the prosecution recommended list.

If it has failed then why was Jackson prosecuted?

If it's not worth the paper it's written on - certainly Thommo and Jackson disagree with you



hilarious poor old grap he doesnt think over 20 people working for UNIONS are under investigation or being at least pointed in that direction by a ROYAL COMM is finding any Corruption within.. Grin Grin Grin Grin

its almost comical isnt it the way the lefties dodge the crisis in their set up..

labor is the unions..

the union is labor..

they are like Laurel and Hardy... one is no good without the other..

but they will never admit it....

I think its a hoot.. the more they defend the funnier it gets..


Thomson and Jackson were in the spotlight before any 'royal commission'

"The Health Services Union expenses affair was an Australian political scandal that concerned criminal activities associated with the financial affairs of the Health Services Union of Australia (HSU), between 2006 and 2007; and the Health Services Union "east branch" (HSUeast) between 2006 and 2011.[12][13]

Following regulatory and administrative investigations, criminal trials and a subsequent appeal, on 15 December 2014 Craig Thomson, a former national secretary of the HSU and a former Labor politician, was found guilty in the Victorian County Court of thirteen charges of theft, and later convicted and fined A$25,000.[7][8] Other charges of obtaining financial advantage by deception were dismissed on appeal.[1]"

"Succeeding Thomson as general secretary of the HSU in
January 2008
, Kathy Jackson identified financial irregularities in the union's accounts and engaged external auditors to investigate."  Hello - what part of 2008 do you NOT understand?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Services_Union_expenses_affair#cite_note-AB...

I know several of you have serious issues with english language and with reading - but try reading it.....

"In 2011 the Union Council of the HSUeast branch resolved to commence an investigation into the financial affairs of the branch; and sought counsel from the President of the New South Wales Bar Association to select an independent panel of experts to investigate:[37]

    adequacy of governance arrangements and business practices of HSUeast;
    access to financial and business related information for union members to ensure transparency and scrutiny;
    policies and procedures and potential conflicts of interest for office bearers, or staff that hold directorships or shares/ownership in companies that supply goods to HSUeast;
    policies around the use of HSUeast credit cards; and
    other matters the panel deems appropriate."

What part of 2011 do you NOT understand - the time at which the Union itself launched action against wrongdoing?

Jackson is only on the 'to charge' list now because her Pussy Pass and Weasel Pass have both expired, and she is now being thrown to the wolves instead of being treated as the darling of the LNP.

(not that there's anything wrong with that).....

Jackson was already in the sights and tried to weasel out by turncoating to the royal commission.... the 'royal commission' even including Thomo and Jacko is nothing more than a puny attempt to pad out the 'evils' uncovered and make it look like the commission actually did something.

They were NOT charged as a result of any 'royal commission' - and so far the charges against other are few and most likely to fail, and the rest is just suggestions and innuendo.

Get a grip.... I know it's hard for some.


Fateful trip to luxury Perth car dealer exposes TWU funds misappropriation

By Rebecca Turner   

Updated 4 minutes ago


Proceedings at the Royal Commission
Photo: The trade union royal commission recommended Jim McGiveron and Richard Burton be referred to the Fair Work Commission. (AAP: Jeremy Piper, file photo)

Related Story: Further probe looms for union bosses who bought luxury 4WDs



Map:  WA

It started with a fateful trip to a luxury car dealer in Perth three years ago and has resulted a damning
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Reply #84 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:16pm
 
Everybody applauds the pursuit of crooks - but please - let's keep with the realities... the 'royal commission' was a waste of money better spent on regulatory and investigatory bodies, and has a clear political intention.

"Proceedings at the Royal Commission
Photo: The trade union royal commission recommended Jim McGiveron and Richard Burton be referred to the Fair Work Commission. (AAP: Jeremy Piper, file photo)

Related Story: Further probe looms for union bosses who bought luxury 4WDs



Map:  WA

It started with a fateful trip to a luxury car dealer in Perth three years ago and has resulted a damning "

Trouble with constant quoting is that the page gets too big to load... try again with link and full story.

I've long condemned the (ab) use of Other People's Money, an issue that crosses all boundaries where people have access to Other people's Money and feel the entitlement to use it for self.  All these people - high Union officials, politicians, public servants etc feel they should be treated as royalty in return for their immense public service..... chopper flights..... VIP jets instead of a one night stop-over at full found in a class hotel... holidays ... cars... women.... more women.... maybe the odd bloke, who knows?  Kiss tickets.... bike rides....

OPM lures many to their destruction..... ah - the moral decay....

On the other hand, I know Tony Sheldon of the TWU to be a man of integrity.... hope he stays that way and continues to watch over the industry with the highest mortality rate for workers......
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Reply #85 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:22pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:16pm:
Everybody applauds the pursuit of crooks - but please - let's keep with the realities... the 'royal commission' was a waste of money better spent on regulatory and investigatory bodies, and has a clear political intention.


So anything bad occurring to the left leaning parties will be deemed as "political intention"
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Reply #86 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:05pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:22pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:16pm:
Everybody applauds the pursuit of crooks - but please - let's keep with the realities... the 'royal commission' was a waste of money better spent on regulatory and investigatory bodies, and has a clear political intention.


So anything bad occurring to the left leaning parties will be deemed as "political intention"


No but anything specifically set up with political intent can not be ignored.

I hope that Labor respond in the same way preferably to a few businesses where Lib politicians have been involved.

I doubt any Australian business's integrity would survive the same type of scrutiny.
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Reply #87 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:44pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:
Jackson's name appeared on the prosecution recommended list.

If it has failed then why was Jackson prosecuted?

If it's not worth the paper it's written on - certainly Thommo and Jackson disagree with you



Jackson had admitted to her part before the RC was even announced ... we certainly didn't need to spend $100 million to nail Jackson  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #88 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:45pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:22am:
Probably not.


you're not sure? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #89 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:47pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:03am:
Mr Turnbull may need to worry more about workers response than Mr Shorten's...



you mean the 15% of the workforce that is in a union? that samr group of people who ahve seen how their money has been embezzled and spent on whores?

the more likely outcome is that it will increase the liberals vote.
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