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Reply #105 - Jan 17th, 2016 at 11:35am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 11:10am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 6:06pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 5:22pm:
Don't insult my intelligence S by pretending you are interested in muslims countering the terrorist narrative - they are doing it every day, in all sorts of ways. It has been pointed out to you time and time again, but of course it makes no difference.


I remember the Grand Mufti coming out to condemn the Paris attacks in the strongest possible terms as inexcusable and indefensible by Islam. He then went onto discuss terrorism, war and its causes. Amerikan involvement in the Middle East came into it. I believe oil came into it. The previous bombings in Turkey and Lebanon were mentioned, showing that Muslim countries are targets too. We're all affected by terrorism. We're all in it together. We all stand against it together as humans.

A stock standard unequivical condemnation of the Paris attacks with a bit of foreign policy background - nothing Malcolm Turnbull and other world leaders hadn't already said, or did later.

The headlines and columns in the Tele? Grand Mufti Plays the Muslim Victim Card. Grand Mufti blames Uncle for Paris Attacks. Grand Mufti Refuses to Blame Islam, etc, etc, etc.

As you can see, it's not just FD and the old boy, this is viral.



So it makes sense to you and the Miffti and John Kerry and Turenbull et al that Muslims massacre Pariasian in theatres, restaurants, stadiums, magazine offices because of Amerikan foreign policy ???  You can see how it makes sense to them to do THAT in response to Amerika??


Really?



Show us where he said that, dear boy.

I seem to remember another old boy who was chomping at the bit to blow up Iraq because a Saudi and his friends attacked New York.

When it was pointed out how this would only make things worse, the poor old boy said the Iraqi people deserved it for being tinted. He repeated this point over a number of years, as failure after failure came to light.

It was their fault for being invaded and being tinted.

Not racist, of course..The old boy was only trying to help.
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Re: Free speech is under threat from Islam ..
Reply #106 - Jan 17th, 2016 at 6:15pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Soren wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 11:10am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 6:06pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 5:22pm:
Don't insult my intelligence S by pretending you are interested in muslims countering the terrorist narrative - they are doing it every day, in all sorts of ways. It has been pointed out to you time and time again, but of course it makes no difference.


I remember the Grand Mufti coming out to condemn the Paris attacks in the strongest possible terms as inexcusable and indefensible by Islam. He then went onto discuss terrorism, war and its causes. Amerikan involvement in the Middle East came into it. I believe oil came into it. The previous bombings in Turkey and Lebanon were mentioned, showing that Muslim countries are targets too. We're all affected by terrorism. We're all in it together. We all stand against it together as humans.

A stock standard unequivical condemnation of the Paris attacks with a bit of foreign policy background - nothing Malcolm Turnbull and other world leaders hadn't already said, or did later.

The headlines and columns in the Tele? Grand Mufti Plays the Muslim Victim Card. Grand Mufti blames Uncle for Paris Attacks. Grand Mufti Refuses to Blame Islam, etc, etc, etc.

As you can see, it's not just FD and the old boy, this is viral.



So it makes sense to you and the Miffti and John Kerry and Turenbull et al that Muslims massacre Pariasian in theatres, restaurants, stadiums, magazine offices because of Amerikan foreign policy ???  You can see how it makes sense to them to do THAT in response to Amerika??


Really?



Show us where he said that, dear boy.


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Reply #107 - Jan 17th, 2016 at 6:36pm
 
Good show, old boy.

See how it’s done, FD. There’s no need to hide, you just have play cutsie.
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Reply #108 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 1:07am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 7:10pm:
Is this another case of me saying things without actually saying them? Or are you criticising me for not saying them?


No, its me yet again asking you to clarify your cryptic statements.

I'm trying to understand what you meant when you said it depends if an assault on a woman was an attack on her freedom. I questioned this because I consider any physical attack on a woman an attack on her freedom.

So can you tell me a situation where a physical attack on a woman is not an attack on her freedom?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #109 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 1:32am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 6:01pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 5:42pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 5:35pm:
We have been telling you for YEARS that Muslim terrorism is something Muslims must take responsibility. And for years you have resisted this idea and diverted attention away from this fundamental starting point at every opportunity.


Translation: every time its pointed out to you how muslims are taking responsibility and trying to tackle it, you shift the goalposts. Nothing will ever ever suffice in your book.

Soren wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 5:35pm:
What you will not engage in is a lengthy discussion about Islam's role in Islamic terrorism.


And there we have it - channeling moses and his tired old "only a complete rejection of Islam by muslims will suffice" meme. How constructive do you really think this is? Oh, thats right, you're not interested in constructive.



Islam IS at the centre of Islamic terrorism, Gandy. It's not a 'meme'. It is the heart of the matter.

Stop waiving it away, damn it.  Not addressinbg the heart of the matter is evasive arse-coveriong and god knows you guys have been doing it for years. Nobody, not even you, believes that Islam is not the central issue when facing Islamic terrorism. but you will, 'heroically' do everything to pretend that it is nothing more than a 'meme'. 

As a Muslim you will not be discussing Islam's shortcomings with infide;ls becauyse that would be unIslamic. So you are left with the victimhood narratiove - blame everyone else for what Muslims do - or waive it away as irrelevant compared to how the infidels react to Muslim terrorism.


I'm genuinely perplexed as to what you expect from us.

You're not moses, S - I'll give you credit for that at least. You're not an evangelical who genuinely believes muslims are followers of a cult  propagated by Satan himself, and simply cannot fathom why people would chose such a path instead of the righteous path of Jesus. We have Yadda and moses and previously Pete Waldo running that meme - and I'm guessing you consider them every bit as loopy as the Islamists.

And yet why do you run with the same meme? Why do you figuratively hold up the Quran and cry "this is the root of all evil!" like some sectarian religious nut - and at the same time insist that only a rejection of that book will suffice in redeeming the muslim? Thats what moses and Yadda mean by "addressing the heart of the matter" - and now it seems you too. You know what it is? Its a damned copout, it ensures that you'll be able to damn the muslims till kingdom come - knowing that you demand of them something that you obviously know they will never do.

You know what you are S - you are the master goal post shifter. Everything you say on this topic is specifically designed for infinite shifting of goal posts. You demand what muslims are saying against terrorism and you get a pile of comdemnations. You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities. Ask and ye shall receive. We've been through this malarky a dozen times before, and of course it never counts. Absolutely nothing ever counts - because as it turns out, the only thing that will suffice, what you call "addressing the heart of the matter" is muslims damning and then abandoning the core teachings of the Quran and ipso facto becoming non-muslim.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #110 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 6:40am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 1:32am:
You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities. 



Really? Where is that list of Muslim activities against violent jihadis?

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Reply #111 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 2:56pm
 
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Why do you figuratively hold up the Quran and cry "this is the root of all evil!"


The qur'an is acknowledged by muslims who perpetrate the most inhumane of depravities against their fellow man, as being the spiritual and physical guidance and justification for their perverted islamic degeneracies. (sounds like the root of all islamic evil to me)

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the same time insist that only a rejection of that book


Why not reject those bits which endorse and urge said islamic depravities. (oh that's right you can't, it's the final perfect immutable word of the satanic allah, you're stuck with it because of your own stupidity, far better to blame everybody else, let the atrocities prevail, just can't admit islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it all wrong)

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"addressing the heart of the matter" is muslims damning and then abandoning the core teachings of the Quran and ipso facto becoming non-muslim.


Two choices:

1/.Condemn the root cause and stop the blood crazed carnage.

2/. Substantiate the root cause, thereby endorsing the islamic atrocities practiced in the name of islam.
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Reply #112 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 3:00pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 6:40am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 1:32am:
You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities. 



Really? Where is that list of Muslim activities against violent jihadis?



Oh, old boy, you really are a bore. Who's fighting ISIS?
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Reply #113 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:01pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 6:40am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 1:32am:
You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities. 



Really? Where is that list of Muslim activities against violent jihadis?



Oh, old boy, you really are a bore. Who's fighting ISIS?

Is that your laundry list?

What are Western Muslims doing about the jihadis among us?



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Reply #114 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:04pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:01pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 6:40am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 1:32am:
You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities. 



Really? Where is that list of Muslim activities against violent jihadis?



Oh, old boy, you really are a bore. Who's fighting ISIS?

Is that your laundry list?

What are Western Muslims doing about the jihadis among us?





Reporting them to the cops, apparently. Man Monis was reported many times by his local Iranian community, along with an imam at the Sunni mosque Monis frequented.

My laundry list hasn't changed, dear boy. Just make sure you leave the starch out of the shirt collars this time, okay?
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Reply #115 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:31pm
 
Just scream Islamaphobia and shut down any debate.
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Reply #116 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:58pm
 
GordyL wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:31pm:
Just scream Islamaphobia and shut down any debate.


That's censorship, Gordy. Liberals like the old boy won't stomach that.
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Reply #117 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 5:19pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:01pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 6:40am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 1:32am:
You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities. 



Really? Where is that list of Muslim activities against violent jihadis?



Oh, old boy, you really are a bore. Who's fighting ISIS?

Is that your laundry list?

What are Western Muslims doing about the jihadis among us?





Reporting them to the cops, apparently. Man Monis was reported many times by his local Iranian community, along with an imam at the Sunni mosque Monis frequented.

My laundry list hasn't changed, dear boy. Just make sure you leave the starch out of the shirt collars this time, okay?

Apparently??  And Man Monis is the 'laundry list'?? The guy who had a list of convictions and another list of charges? He's the one the 'community' has been dobbing in??



All the others have been 'good boys who would never done such a thing', to their families and friends.
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Reply #118 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 8:43am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 5:19pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 4:01pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 6:40am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 1:32am:
You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities. 



Really? Where is that list of Muslim activities against violent jihadis?



Oh, old boy, you really are a bore. Who's fighting ISIS?

Is that your laundry list?

What are Western Muslims doing about the jihadis among us?





Reporting them to the cops, apparently. Man Monis was reported many times by his local Iranian community, along with an imam at the Sunni mosque Monis frequented.

My laundry list hasn't changed, dear boy. Just make sure you leave the starch out of the shirt collars this time, okay?

Apparently??  And Man Monis is the 'laundry list'?? The guy who had a list of convictions and another list of charges? He's the one the 'community' has been dobbing in??

All the others have been 'good boys who would never done such a thing', to their families and friends.


Yes, I guess "all the others" weren't nutters who hung out their dirty laundry for all to see.

The jihadis who've been caught in Australia have all been internet plotters. Terrorism, or the views that lead to it, doesn't get discussed in public - particularly in schools or mosques. It's not popular. Extremism gives Muslims and immigrant families a bad look. The challenge for families and the community is to know the signs and what to do.

Your plan - to deport the entire families of terrorist suspects - would ensure the signs of terrorist plotting go unreported.

But that's what you want, no? Something tells me what you'd like to see is a terrorist attack on Australian soil to shut the id iots up. This will trigger the endless war you're so fond of.

Am I right?
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Reply #119 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 4:12pm
 
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doesn't get discussed in public - particularly in schools or mosques.


Oh very good excuse there, we can be assured that the imams who preach their islamic hatred in the mosques, aren't really doing / discussing it?

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But that's what you want, no? Something tells me what you'd like to see is a terrorist attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up.


But we've already had islamic terrorist attacks on our soil, the cafe, the muslim kids killing police clerks, planning terrorist attacks etc.

Then we have the full blown support for islamic terrorism given by one in a thousand Australian muslims.

Terrorism is already entrenched in the Australian muslim psyche, (courtesy of islam allah muhammad qur'an).

The solution lies in cleaning the filth and perversion out of said foursome.

This is bitterly opposed by muslims and their apologists, (it would effectively destroy islam).

The apologists and the muslims will let the atrocities run unabated, rather than simply admit islam has huge problem, of it's own making.

islam is the mirror image of the persona of a deformed, psychopath, thief, liar, pedophile, torturer and mass murderer.

muslims bow down to the ethos that the words of this  homicidal maniac are immutable, perfect and can never be changed.

until muslims and their apologists have the guts to be honest about islamic doctrine, muslim atrocities are here to stay. (or maybe the world will become so fed up with the evil alliance, it will simply turn on them with a vengeance)

The whole thing could be avoided if the malefic duo would only tell the truth.
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