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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95884 Gender:	Re: Free speech is under threat from Islam .. Reply #120 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 5:09pm Yes, dear, we can. Imams don’t preach extremist stuff in mosques in Australia, as every Muslim knows. If you want the views of the knuckleheads, you have to go online. Your own posts would be a good place to start, no?
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Reply #121 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 5:50pm

Gee I'm really glad that Aussie mosques are never used to plan and assist islamic atrocities.

I'm flabbergasted by the below site:

Australia: Muslim teen murderer got his gun at mosque and his Islamic schoolyard prayer meeting being investigated

Which says in part:

The weapon used by Farhad Jabar was believed to be handed to the jihadi at the Parramatta mosque.

The revelation comes amid reports last night police had obtained CCTV footage from the mosque showing Jabar meeting several men in the lead-up to the brutal streetside slaying.

Not only is there mosque involvement in the jihad execution of a police employee, but the killer’s school prayer group is under investigation.

Well well there you go, kids being recruited at mosques and schools to commit islamic atrocities.

What is the world coming to?

Oh well I'm sure the muslims and their apologists will tell us it's a really really really isolated incident.

I know let's sing the muzzies number one hit.

it's got nuffin to do wiv islam

'cause islam's a religion of peace

it's only a tiny minority

it doesn't weally mean what it says

'cause it's written in Arabic

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Reply #122 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 6:24pm

I know, Moses. Imams don’t preach extremism in Australian mosques, I’ve just told you that.

But those who go to pray can be complete and utter bastards, as we’re starting to understand. Fancy killing some random guy in cold blood - what sort of thinking could possibly lead to that?

Of course his prayer group was under investigation. You wouldn’t expect the police to turn a blind eye to a bunch of cold blooded killers, shurely?

The leader of that prayer group was arrested and denied bail, I believe.

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Reply #123 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 6:30pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 6:24pm:

I know, Moses. Imams don’t preach extremism in Australian mosques, I’ve just told you that.

But those who go to pray can be complete and utter bastards, as we’re starting to understand. Fancy killing some random guy in cold blood - what sort of thinking could possibly lead to that?

Of course his prayer group was under investigation. You wouldn’t expect the police to turn a blind eye to a bunch of cold blooded killers, shurely?

The leader of that prayer group was arrested and denied bail, I believe.

Why don't you go away and hide/ hang your head in shame?

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Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."

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Reply #124 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 6:50pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:43am:

Soren wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:40am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities.

Really? Where is that list of Muslim activities against violent jihadis?

Oh, old boy, you really are a bore. Who's fighting ISIS?

Is that your laundry list?

What are Western Muslims doing about the jihadis among us?

Reporting them to the cops, apparently. Man Monis was reported many times by his local Iranian community, along with an imam at the Sunni mosque Monis frequented.

My laundry list hasn't changed, dear boy. Just make sure you leave the starch out of the shirt collars this time, okay?

Apparently?? And Man Monis is the 'laundry list'?? The guy who had a list of convictions and another list of charges? He's the one the 'community' has been dobbing in??

All the others have been 'good boys who would never done such a thing', to their families and friends.

Yes, I guess "all the others" weren't nutters who hung out their dirty laundry for all to see.

The jihadis who've been caught in Australia have all been internet plotters. Terrorism, or the views that lead to it, doesn't get discussed in public - particularly in schools or mosques. It's not popular. Extremism gives Muslims and immigrant families a bad look. The challenge for families and the community is to know the signs and what to do.

Your plan - to deport the entire families of terrorist suspects - would ensure the signs of terrorist plotting go unreported.

But that's what you want, no? Something tells me what you'd like to see is a terrorist attack on Australian soil to shut the id iots up. This will trigger the endless war you're so fond of.

Am I right?

You are wrong, as always.

The little runt who killed the police accountant - unreported by his nearest and dearest
The rest of the runts and 8unts who have gone to fight for ISIS - unreported by their nearest and dearest.

After the fact they all bleated what good boys these jihadis have been and how they would never have expected them to do something like this. With one or two cases i would say fair enough. But with over a hundred??? It's a smokescreen.

I would confiscate the properties of these people's families and deport the lot. That would teach the others to look and prevent and report IN TIME.

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Reply #125 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 7:49pm

kemal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 6:24pm:

I know, Moses. Imams don’t preach extremism in Australian mosques, I’ve just told you that.

But those who go to pray can be complete and utter bastards, as we’re starting to understand. Fancy killing some random guy in cold blood - what sort of thinking could possibly lead to that?

Of course his prayer group was under investigation. You wouldn’t expect the police to turn a blind eye to a bunch of cold blooded killers, shurely?

The leader of that prayer group was arrested and denied bail, I believe.

Why don't you go away and hide/ hang your head in shame?

I’m.not sure, Kemal, but thanks for the question.

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Reply #126 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 7:57pm

Soren wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 6:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:43am:

Soren wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:40am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

You demand to know what muslims are doing against terrorism - you get a laundry list of activities.

Really? Where is that list of Muslim activities against violent jihadis?

Oh, old boy, you really are a bore. Who's fighting ISIS?

Is that your laundry list?

What are Western Muslims doing about the jihadis among us?

Reporting them to the cops, apparently. Man Monis was reported many times by his local Iranian community, along with an imam at the Sunni mosque Monis frequented.

My laundry list hasn't changed, dear boy. Just make sure you leave the starch out of the shirt collars this time, okay?

Apparently?? And Man Monis is the 'laundry list'?? The guy who had a list of convictions and another list of charges? He's the one the 'community' has been dobbing in??

All the others have been 'good boys who would never done such a thing', to their families and friends.

Yes, I guess "all the others" weren't nutters who hung out their dirty laundry for all to see.

The jihadis who've been caught in Australia have all been internet plotters. Terrorism, or the views that lead to it, doesn't get discussed in public - particularly in schools or mosques. It's not popular. Extremism gives Muslims and immigrant families a bad look. The challenge for families and the community is to know the signs and what to do.

Your plan - to deport the entire families of terrorist suspects - would ensure the signs of terrorist plotting go unreported.

But that's what you want, no? Something tells me what you'd like to see is a terrorist attack on Australian soil to shut the id iots up. This will trigger the endless war you're so fond of.

Am I right?

You are wrong, as always.

The little runt who killed the police accountant - unreported by his nearest and dearest
The rest of the runts and 8unts who have gone to fight for ISIS - unreported by their nearest and dearest.

After the fact they all bleated what good boys these jihadis have been and how they would never have expected them to do something like this. With one or two cases i would say fair enough. But with over a hundred??? It's a smokescreen.

I would confiscate the properties of these people's families and deport the lot. That would teach the others to look and prevent and report IN TIME.

I know you would, old boy. Ban, deport, kill. It’s a bit of a theme.

They’d report then, no?

By the way, who do you report to when your kids buy a ticket to Turkey? All the articles I’ve read, the imams tell them to go to the police.

I wouldn’t. The Bali 9? They were caught because one of their dads took his worries about his son to a mate - in the police.

And yes, a few concerned parents took them up on it too - hence the story in the media.

And hence the intel on your hundred.missing persons.

Still, deporting them should work. What parent wouldn’t report their kids then?

Smart thinking, old boy.

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Reply #127 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 4:56pm

karnal wrote: Quote:

But those who go to pray can be complete and utter bastards, as we’re starting to understand. Fancy killing some random guy in cold blood - what sort of thinking could possibly lead to that?

Oh that's an easy one to answer karnal.

What sort of thinking, you say?

Well the muslims themselves who commit the atrocities, tell us in no uncertain terms: they are obeying islam, allah, muhammad, and the qur'an.

Now it's also a fact that this degenerate foursome unequivocally tells us, that it urges and condones muslims committing unspeakably inhumane human rights atrocities against their fellow man.

So we know the sort of thinking, is the mentation produced by being a true muslim, devoutly following islam, allah, muhammad and qur'an.

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Reply #128 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 5:16pm

moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 4:56pm:

Well the muslims themselves who commit the atrocities, tell us in no uncertain terms: they are obeying islam, allah, muhammad, and the qur'an.

And yet there are far more peaceful muslims rejecting violence who tell us in no uncertain terms that they are obeying Islam, Allah, Muhammad and the Quran. How do you explain that one?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #129 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 5:34pm

moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 4:56pm:

karnal wrote: Quote:

But those who go to pray can be complete and utter bastards, as we’re starting to understand. Fancy killing some random guy in cold blood - what sort of thinking could possibly lead to that?

Oh that's an easy one to answer karnal.

What sort of thinking, you say?

Well the muslims themselves who commit the atrocities, tell us in no uncertain terms: they are obeying islam, allah, muhammad, and the qur'an.

Now it's also a fact that this degenerate foursome unequivocally tells us, that it urges and condones muslims committing unspeakably inhumane human rights atrocities against their fellow man..

And aainst their fellow Muslims, who make up the majority of victims - by far.

Who to believe - the Turks, Syrians and Persians currently fighting ISIS?

Or ISIS themselves?

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Reply #130 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 5:49pm

gandalf wrote: Quote:

And yet there are far more peaceful muslims rejecting violence who tell us in no uncertain terms that they are obeying Islam, Allah, Muhammad and the Quran. How do you explain that one?

How many of these so called peaceful muslims are genuine?

How many of these so called peaceful muslims are diligent fifth columnists?

I mean our security forces are continuously defeating terror plots, detaining terror suspects.

Words are cheap Gandy, we know that one in a thousand Australian muslims 100% support terrorism (right across the muslim spectrum girls boys kids teenagers mature women and men)

When islamic terrorism is the exception and not the rule, you may hold some weight Gandalf, untill then just empty words.

As for muslims killing other muslims?

Thar's just one of the many benefits of 1400 years of islamic satanism.

The deformed psychopath muhammad gave his blessing to muslims killing muslims:

qur'an 5.32: qur'an 5.33: qur'an 2.8: qur'an 2.10: qur'an 2.11: qur'an 2.12: qur'an 3.167: qur'an 4.88: qur'an 4.89: qur'an 4.138: qur'an 4.145: qur'an 9.68: qur'an 9.73: qur'an 9.101: qur'an 33.73: qur'an 48.6: qur'an 66.9:

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Reply #131 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 6:07pm

moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 5:49pm:

When islamic terrorism is the exception and not the rule, you may hold some weight Gandalf, untill then just empty words.

But moses Islamic terrorism is the exception in Australia, that is just the most elementary and undisputable fact. You acknowledged this yourself (0.1% of Australian muslims support terrorism). All you can do is confect an argument to somehow marry this with your meme about how only the terrorists are the "real" muslims. So we get the usual, most muslims are either ignorant, weak or 5th columnists. But there is no getting round the fact that Islamic terrorism is the exception in Australia. So please do me a favour and stop the fibbing about how this fact "may hold some weight" in your eyes - it doesn't, it just gives you more ammunition to screech about 5th columnists etc.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Free speech is under threat from Islam .. Reply #132 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 6:10pm moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 5:49pm: we know that one in a thousand Australian muslims 100% support terrorism Not a statistic I'd be boasting about if I were you - but anyway, where did this come from? Can you give me a link?
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Reply #133 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 6:53pm

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But moses Islamic terrorism is the exception in Australia, that is just the most elementary and undisputable fact. You acknowledged this yourself (0.1% of Australian muslims support terrorism). All you can do is confect an argument to somehow marry this with your meme about how only the terrorists are the "real" muslims. So we get the usual, most muslims are either ignorant, weak or 5th columnists. But there is no getting round the fact that Islamic terrorism is the exception in Australia. So please do me a favour and stop the fibbing about how this fact "may hold some weight" in your eyes - it doesn't, it just gives you more ammunition to screech about 5th columnists etc.

It has been posted on this site the number of muslims who are actually fighting for terror overseas, or have been arrested here before they got the chance to actually go and fight. This was ages ago the figure at that time was about 400 muslims out of a population of about 400,000 which gives us one in a thousand muslims are totally committed to terror.

Every muslim who want to support terror is a murderer at heart, there can be no islamic terror without deliberate murder.

The stats for homicide in Australia is about 1.3 per 100,000, given that homicide can be accidental, manslaughter etc. it would be safe to say that under normal circumstances 1 person in a 100,000 is capable of murder.

Now to be a muslim terrorist you have to be a murderer at heart (as I said before)

We know that one in a thousand of Aussie mussies is totally committed to islamic terror or absolutely prepared to be an islamic murderer.

muslims are 100 times greater than the national average of someone being prepared to be a murderer, that's the facts.

So murdering and terrorism is not the exception in the muslim community (it is exorbitantly high in islamic society), you are 100 times more likely to be a murdering homicidal threat to society than a normal non muslim Australian.

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