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Reply #150 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 2:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 8:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 8:16pm:

The point is that the bad bastards are motivated by Islam, nothing else.
NOTHING ELSE.

What tosh.

Even FD once argued that this was tosh. Murderers and terrorists are motivated by what they've always been motivated by - power, thrills, politics - since time immemorial. Islam or any other religion is just a means to an end.

Why is there a barbaric Islamic State then, but no barbaric Hindu State, Quaker State, Taoist State etc, accommodating the murderers of those religions?

Why only a murderous, barbaric, avowedly and strictly Islamic Islamic State?? (that has nuffin' to do wiv Islam, of course)

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Reply #151 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 6:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:03am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:30am:

gandalf,

Because my argument(s) are not false.

Yadda

you spend half your time here quoting muslims who support terrorism to prove that muslims support terrorism

and the other half quoting muslims condemning terrorism to prove that muslims are deceitful.

Like I said, your argument is unfalsifiable - and therefore totally inane.

LOL

gandalf,

Yeah, ISLAM has got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

And the real moslems [the vast majority of moslems who reside in Australia], totally reject political extremism.

And why ?

Its because political extremism, has got nothing to do with real ISLAM, and the faith which real moslems follow.

/sarc off

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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ISLAM, is a faith, ...which teaches peace, and the tolerance of others.

Just ask gandalf!!!

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #152 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 6:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:03am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:30am:

gandalf,

Because my argument(s) are not false.

Yadda you spend half your time here quoting muslims who support terrorism to prove that muslims support terrorism - and the other half quoting muslims condemning terrorism to prove that muslims are deceitful. Like I said, your argument is unfalsifiable - and therefore totally inane.

When an Imam says to his congregation in English, in response to yet another Muslim terrorist attack, that it is wrong to kill innocent people, then says to his congregation in Arabic that only Muslims are innocent, does that count as deceit?

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Reply #153 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 6:59pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 6:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:03am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:30am:

gandalf,

Because my argument(s) are not false.

Yadda you spend half your time here quoting muslims who support terrorism to prove that muslims support terrorism - and the other half quoting muslims condemning terrorism to prove that muslims are deceitful. Like I said, your argument is unfalsifiable - and therefore totally inane.

When an Imam says to his congregation in English, in response to yet another Muslim terrorist attack, that it is wrong to kill innocent people, then says to his congregation in Arabic that only Muslims are innocent, does that count as deceit?

FD, when a fellow poster says to ban them, kill them and nuke them and you carry on chasing G around for being a flagbearer, does this mean you concur with the banning, killing and nuking?

I've always wondered this.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95866 Gender:	Re: Free speech is under threat from Islam .. Reply #154 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:12pm Does anyone want to place a bet on the strategy FD uses to evade this one? 1. Difficulty understanding the question. 2. Keep asking more questions. 3. Complete silence.
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Reply #155 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:13pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 6:47pm:

When an Imam says to his congregation in English, in response to yet another Muslim terrorist attack, that it is wrong to kill innocent people, then says to his congregation in Arabic that only Muslims are innocent, does that count as deceit?

Its deceit. But does it make any difference when muslims come out and denounce such deceit? Of course not - it just proves their deceit even more. Do you agree that in Yadda's book there is literally nothing a muslim can do that isn't sinister and/or deceitful?

What do you think FD, is Yadda's views that every single muslim is a "wannabe homicidal maniac" (his actual words) is maybe part of the problem here?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #156 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:13pm:

What do you think FD, is Yadda's views that every single muslim is a "wannabe homicidal maniac" (his actual words) is maybe part of the problem here?

Ee-gad, from everythiing I've read post-2007, FD thinks this view is part of the solution.

I'll bet you don't get a straight answer though.

Google: taqiyya.

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Secret Wars Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3928 Gender:	Re: Free speech is under threat from Islam .. Reply #158 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:25pm Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:12pm: Does anyone want to place a bet on the strategy FD uses to evade this one? 1. Difficulty understanding the question. 2. Keep asking more questions. 3. Complete silence. As opposed to reducto ad absurdum and misdirection poorly disguised as satire?
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Reply #159 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:28pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:12pm:

Does anyone want to place a bet on the strategy FD uses to evade this one?

1. Difficulty understanding the question.
2. Keep asking more questions.
3. Complete silence.

As opposed to reducto ad absurdum and misdirection poorly disguised as satire? Cool

Good point, we'll add that one to the list.

The odds are pretty low on satire though. I'd love to see FD add that to his list of evasion tactics.

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Reply #160 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:37pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:23pm:

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Its deceit. But does it make any difference when muslims come out and denounce such deceit?

Is it wrong to deceive the innocent Gandalf?

ooh you got me there FD - yes it is.

What about you - do you agree that in Yadda's book there is literally nothing a muslim can do that isn't sinister and/or deceitful?

Is Yadda's views that every single muslim is a "wannabe homicidal maniac" (his actual words) is maybe part of the problem here?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #161 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:23pm:

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Its deceit. But does it make any difference when muslims come out and denounce such deceit?

Is it wrong to deceive the innocent Gandalf?

ooh you got me there FD - yes it is.

What about you - do you agree that in Yadda's book there is literally nothing a muslim can do that isn't sinister and/or deceitful?

Is Yadda's views that every single muslim is a "wannabe homicidal maniac" (his actual words) is maybe part of the problem here?

One thing we've learned over the past 9 years - FD will use every trick in the book to "criticize" those who want to take away the freedoms of decent white people everywhere.

But he'll encourage every call to take away the freedoms of dirty tinted Muslims and their apologists everywhere.

Does he believe it? You bet.

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Reply #162 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:21pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:23pm:

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Its deceit. But does it make any difference when muslims come out and denounce such deceit?

Is it wrong to deceive the innocent Gandalf?

ooh you got me there FD - yes it is.

What about you - do you agree that in Yadda's book there is literally nothing a muslim can do that isn't sinister and/or deceitful?

Is Yadda's views that every single muslim is a "wannabe homicidal maniac" (his actual words) is maybe part of the problem here?

One thing we've learned over the past 9 years - FD will use every trick in the book to "criticize" those who want to take away the freedoms of decent white people everywhere.

But he'll encourage every call to take away the freedoms of dirty tinted Muslims and their apologists everywhere.

Does he believe it? You bet.

White Europeans are democratic. Tinted Arab Muslims are not.

Could tinted Arab Muslims be democratic IF THEY WANTED TO BE??

Yes.

Spot the snag, ya stupid PB.

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Reply #163 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:52pm

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:23pm:

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Its deceit. But does it make any difference when muslims come out and denounce such deceit?

Is it wrong to deceive the innocent Gandalf?

ooh you got me there FD - yes it is.

What about you - do you agree that in Yadda's book there is literally nothing a muslim can do that isn't sinister and/or deceitful?

Is Yadda's views that every single muslim is a "wannabe homicidal maniac" (his actual words) is maybe part of the problem here?

One thing we've learned over the past 9 years - FD will use every trick in the book to "criticize" those who want to take away the freedoms of decent white people everywhere.

But he'll encourage every call to take away the freedoms of dirty tinted Muslims and their apologists everywhere.

Does he believe it? You bet.

White Europeans are democratic. Tinted Arab Muslims are not.

Could tinted Arab Muslims be democratic IF THEY WANTED TO BE??

Yes.

Spot the snag, ya stupid PB.

Did anyone spot the snag?

That's right. The old boy says he's a white European.

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Reply #164 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:10pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:52pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:23pm:

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Its deceit. But does it make any difference when muslims come out and denounce such deceit?

Is it wrong to deceive the innocent Gandalf?

ooh you got me there FD - yes it is.

What about you - do you agree that in Yadda's book there is literally nothing a muslim can do that isn't sinister and/or deceitful?

Is Yadda's views that every single muslim is a "wannabe homicidal maniac" (his actual words) is maybe part of the problem here?

One thing we've learned over the past 9 years - FD will use every trick in the book to "criticize" those who want to take away the freedoms of decent white people everywhere.

But he'll encourage every call to take away the freedoms of dirty tinted Muslims and their apologists everywhere.

Does he believe it? You bet.

White Europeans are democratic. Tinted Arab Muslims are not.

Could tinted Arab Muslims be democratic IF THEY WANTED TO BE??

Yes.

Spot the snag, ya stupid PB.

Did anyone spot the snag?

That's right. The old boy says he's a white European.

ya stupid PB is correct.

Acting (??) stupid is what you do, PB.

You are either smart, acting stupid or you are stupid naturally, without any acting.

Stupid either way.

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