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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #105 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:47am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 11:14pm: I hope her abusers and killers cop shrapnel wounds to the gut and die slowly from infection..... couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of blokes.... Couldn't have said it better myself Mr Grappler.
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Reply #106 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:43am

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:30pm:

Well, first of all, the girl in question was the victim. She was lured to join the ISIS, but in essence, she was never part of IS, except its sex slave and earlier on a tool for propaganda. For all we know, she could be a victim of ISIS factional in fighting as well. But I guess, we will never found out the truth.

As to the question of absolved from culpability, well, we can not be so absolute to be yes or no. In a court, we have to take in to account each individual circumstances and make a fair call. What if, the girl do have a low IQ because of say cerebral palsy, or have intellectual disability. What if she came from a history of abuse, and this is the way for her to escape - or she thought. Many young girls in Australia were lured into drug use, not because they want to have fun, but alot of times to escape from reality of their suffering and to self medicate.

The highlighted part shows what is wrong with our society today

Too many victims and no responsibility

It's always someone else's fault

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Reply #107 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:03am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Grooming rapists don't tell their victims they are going to be raped. Do you think this girl was unaware she was travelling to live in and support a war, or what ISIS's reputation was with women? If she thought she was merely going out for coffee with a swarthy darkie, you might have a point.

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Reply #109 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:50am

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Grooming rapists don't tell their victims they are going to be raped. Do you think this girl was unaware she was travelling to live in and support a war, or what ISIS's reputation was with women? If she thought she was merely going out for coffee with a swarthy darkie, you might have a point.

I believe that she thought going to get a better deal than she got.

Isn't that obvious?

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Reply #110 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:45am

Obviously. She thought the non-Muslim women were the sex slaves. Being a Muslim, she thought she would be the ubermensch. Maybe she thought she would have her own slaves.

Did you hear about the young Aussie kid who went to fight in WWII despite being well under the official minimum age to join the army? He ended up dying in a concentration camp. Do you feel sympathy for him? After all, no-one told him running off to join the Nazis might not be a wise move for a young Jew.

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Reply #111 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:49am

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

Obviously. She thought the non-Muslim women were the sex slaves. Being a Muslim, she thought she would be the ubermensch. Maybe she thought she would have her own slaves.

Did you hear about the young Aussie kid who went to fight in WWII despite being well under the official minimum age to join the army? He ended up dying in a concentration camp. Do you feel sympathy for him? After all, no-one told him running off to join the Nazis might not be a wise move for a young Jew.

Maybe she was seduced in such a way that she didn't think slaves were a part of the package at all?

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #112 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:54am Grooming for a "romantic interlude" with a 45 years old guy who pretends to be 14 and grooming for "romantic interlude with ISIS" are not the same Today's children are raise with all the empowerments without the responsibility
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Reply #113 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 10:14am

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

Obviously. She thought the non-Muslim women were the sex slaves. Being a Muslim, she thought she would be the ubermensch. Maybe she thought she would have her own slaves.

Did you hear about the young Aussie kid who went to fight in WWII despite being well under the official minimum age to join the army? He ended up dying in a concentration camp. Do you feel sympathy for him? After all, no-one told him running off to join the Nazis might not be a wise move for a young Jew.

Maybe she was seduced in such a way that she didn't think slaves were a part of the package at all?

Like I said, if she merely thought she was going out for coffee with a swarthy darkie, Gandalf would have a point. If on the other hand she was "seduced" by the thought of joining the Islamic State in their glorious war against the infidel, she got what she deserved.

Has she been nominated for the Darwin awards yet?

Maybe she believed Gandalf's propaganda about the Islamic breeding program being infidel propaganda to cynically smear Islam with wishy washy western liberal morals.

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Reply #114 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 10:16am

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

Obviously. She thought the non-Muslim women were the sex slaves. Being a Muslim, she thought she would be the ubermensch. Maybe she thought she would have her own slaves.

Did you hear about the young Aussie kid who went to fight in WWII despite being well under the official minimum age to join the army? He ended up dying in a concentration camp. Do you feel sympathy for him? After all, no-one told him running off to join the Nazis might not be a wise move for a young Jew.

Maybe she was seduced in such a way that she didn't think slaves were a part of the package at all?

Like I said, if she merely thought she was going out for coffee with a swarthy darkie, Gandalf would have a point. If on the other hand she was "seduced" by the thought of joining the Islamic State in their glorious war against the infidel, she got what she deserved.

Has she been nominated for the Darwin awards yet?

You can't imagine any other scenario?

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Reply #116 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 10:22am

t in between your extreme scenarios probably lies the truth.

That she was seduced by an attractive male who convinced her that the media reports of ISIS were propganda and that the cause was noble and good. That she would be protected and well treated and that the attractive male with whom she was communicating would love and protect her.

You know. Grooming.

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Reply #117 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:23am

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Grooming rapists don't tell their victims they are going to be raped. Do you think this girl was unaware she was travelling to live in and support a war, or what ISIS's reputation was with women? If she thought she was merely going out for coffee with a swarthy darkie, you might have a point.

FD you realise there are thousands of women in this country who willingly continue to go back to abusive husbands? We even have a term for it - battered wife syndrome. Do we go around mocking them and nominating them for Darwin awards? Some might, but mostly we acknowledge that its pointless to blame the victim. Pull the right emotional strings and humans are susceptible to all sorts of seemingly irrational choices - especially impressionable children who are the target of professional groomers

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

Obviously. She thought the non-Muslim women were the sex slaves. Being a Muslim, she thought she would be the ubermensch. Maybe she thought she would have her own slaves.

Here's a thought - maybe the groomers that targeted her were more convincing than you in their propaganda about ISIS - also they targeted her, you didn't.

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Reply #118 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:27am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

FD you realise there are thousands of women in this country who willingly continue to go back to abusive husbands? We even have a term for it - battered wife syndrome. Do we go around mocking them and nominating them for Darwin awards? Some might, but mostly we acknowledge that its pointless to blame the victim. Pull the right emotional strings and humans are susceptible to all sorts of seemingly irrational choices - especially impressionable children who are the target of professional groomers

And if she continues to come back then she deserve the bashing she gets before she press charges

She's a volunteer until she press charges

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Reply #119 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:29am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

FD you realise there are thousands of women in this country who willingly continue to go back to abusive husbands? We even have a term for it - battered wife syndrome. Do we go around mocking them and nominating them for Darwin awards? Some might, but mostly we acknowledge that its pointless to blame the victim. Pull the right emotional strings and humans are susceptible to all sorts of seemingly irrational choices - especially impressionable children who are the target of professional groomers

And if she continues to come back then she deserve the bashing she gets before she press charges

She's a volunteer until she press charges

Like I said - some might.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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