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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #120 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:35am A 16 years old gets run over by a drunk driver while playing in her front yard - it's not her fault. She is the victim A 16 years old gets psychologically manipulated to join ISIS - it's her fault and parents' fault. She is not a victim. She's a volunteer
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #121 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:41am maqqa saying its her fault and saying she deserved to be killed for it are two very different things.
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #122 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:48am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:41am: maqqa saying its her fault and saying she deserved to be killed for it are two very different things. No one deserve to die in a socialistic society but they deserve the consequences of their decisions Consequences goes hand in hand with decisions
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #123 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:53am Maqqa wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:48am: No one deserve to die in a socialistic society but they deserve the consequences of their decisions Sounds like you are splitting hairs. And I disagree - the men who did this to her certainly "deserve" to die IMO.
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Reply #124 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

No one deserve to die in a socialistic society

but they deserve the consequences of their decisions

Sounds like you are splitting hairs.

And I disagree - the men who did this to her certainly "deserve" to die IMO.

Then we agree that some actions deserve death as a consequence?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #125 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:56am yes - but being brainwashed into becoming a sex slave isn't one of them
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #126 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:58am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:56am: yes - but being brainwashed into becoming a sex slave isn't one of them Oh Gandalf, glad you're here. A question. Are you, as a practising Muslim, outraged by this incident?
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Reply #127 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

yes - but being brainwashed into becoming a sex slave isn't one of them

Followers of ISIS are also brain washed

The leader of ISIS was also brainwashed

The people who killed these girls were also brainwashed

So under your brainwashed argument no one deserves to die as long as they can show some semblance of being brainwashed

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Reply #128 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:26pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

yes - but being brainwashed into becoming a sex slave isn't one of them

Followers of ISIS are also brain washed

The leader of ISIS was also brainwashed

The people who killed these girls were also brainwashed

So under your brainwashed argument no one deserves to die as long as they can show some semblance of being brainwashed

Maqqa do you think that maybe there is a bit of a difference between being brainwashed to subject yourself to rape and abuse and being brainwashed to become a rapist and murderer?

FD tried to dehumanize this girl with the old 'guilt by association' routine - but you can apply the same logic to battered wives and rape victims - without those victims "willingly" going along with their abusers, the rapists and wife beaters would be out of business.

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Reply #129 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

Maqqa do you think that maybe there is a bit of a difference between being brainwashed to subject yourself to rape and abuse and being brainwashed to become a rapist and murderer?

FD tried to dehumanize this girl with the old 'guilt by association' routine - but you can apply the same logic to battered wives and rape victims - without those victims "willingly" going along with their abusers, the rapists and wife beaters would be out of business.

I don't agree with FD too often but I agree with him on this one

To use the word brainwash is to absolve responsibility

Whether as a result of the brainwash you either endure and/or subject others to a set of undesirable actions - there must be personal responsibility

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #130 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:37pm Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:58am: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:56am: yes - but being brainwashed into becoming a sex slave isn't one of them Oh Gandalf, glad you're here. A question. Are you, as a practising Muslim, outraged by this incident? Up!
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #131 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:33pm Lisa, no offense, but kindly get stuffed with that question My responses in this thread should make it obvious my thoughts on the matter. I've had about enough of the constant inquisitions on muslims to make them prove their moral compass. Its condescending and its offensive.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #132 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:36pm As if any reasonable human being should have to point out that they are "outraged" by a poor girl getting raped and murdered
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Reply #133 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:19pm

So, we are to believe that this 17 year old girl who was living in the developed country of Austria with its multi-faceted media services - including their version of SBS Bosnian radio and television - and the Muslim community she must have been a member of ... and the conversations in her parent's home ... and the public declarations by the local Muslim leaders that ISIS did not represent a decent version of Islam ... etc etc ...

... with all of this information raining down upon her awareness we are to believe she went off to join ISIS as innocent and clueless as Snow White or Little Red Riding Hood?

Pull the other one - it plays 'Jingle Bells'.

It's enough for me that she MUST have known about the raping of the Yazidi, the beheadings, the crucifixions, and the executions in the deserts.

I'll allow that she didn't know about the burnings to death, the drownings, and the throwing of gays off the roofs. These videos are relatively recent compared to the others.

She wanted to give moral and practical support to people who were doing this: call them Muslims, Christians, Nazis - whoever.

The fact that she had sympathy for their cause, and this despite the horrors they were committing and which were played out to Western audiences through television sets and the Internet - is ample evidence as to the moral degeneracy of her character.

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Reply #134 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:38pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:19pm:

So, we are to believe that this 17 year old girl who was living in the developed country of Austria with its multi-faceted media services - including their version of SBS Bosnian radio and television - and the Muslim community she must have been a member of ... and the conversations in her parent's home ... and the public declarations by the local Muslim leaders that ISIS did not represent a decent version of Islam ... etc etc ...

... with all of this information raining down upon her awareness we are to believe she went off to join ISIS as innocent and clueless as Snow White or Little Red Riding Hood?

Pull the other one - it plays 'Jingle Bells'.

It's enough for me that she MUST have known about the raping of the Yazidi, the beheadings, the crucifixions, and the executions in the deserts.

I'll allow that she didn't know about the burnings to death, the drownings, and the throwing of gays off the roofs. These videos are relatively recent compared to the others.

She wanted to give moral and practical support to people who were doing this: call them Muslims, Christians, Nazis - whoever.

The fact that she had sympathy for their cause, and this despite the horrors they were committing and which were played out to Western audiences through television sets and the Internet - is ample evidence as to the moral degeneracy of her character.

Herb people have a seemingly infinite ability to filter out the truth - especially when emotional heart strings are pulled. There are people on this forum who would swear with hand on heart that the US is not engaging in a campaign of systematic terrorism in places like Pakistan and Yemen, or that Israel is not attempting to sabotage the right of the Palestinians to create their own state. If find these far more unfathomable than an impressionable girl being led to believe that ISIS atrocities are just western conspiracies.

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