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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #135 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

Herb people have a seemingly infinite ability to filter out the truth - especially when emotional heart strings are pulled. There are people on this forum who would swear with hand on heart that the US is not engaging in a campaign of systematic terrorism in places like Pakistan and Yemen, or that Israel is not attempting to sabotage the right of the Palestinians to create their own state. If find these far more unfathomable than an impressionable girl being led to believe that ISIS atrocities are just western conspiracies.

Pakistan - US invade it's borders to implement the systematic killing of Bin Laden

Palestine had it's chance in 1950's to establish itself.

Palestine has chances every single time there's a ceasefire

Stop provoking Israel. Stop sending suicide bombers over

Stop send announcements to its people to kill Israeli

Stop throwing rocks or any other projectiles at Israel

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #136 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:11pm

mothra wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Precisely. There is no doubt in my mind that this poor young girl was groomed in a like manner to the methods of any sexual predator. She was probably promised the earth by some young, attractive man who convinced her that the western media was only showing propaganda about ISIS and that their cause was much more noble.

The same way they recruit foolish young boys.

there is only so much excuse you can make for these girls. 'grooming' promises things they cannot possibly know is false. ISIS is extremely well known and to ignore the brutality that is so often seen throws a lot of blame back on the girls.

AS FD said, let's hope they are an object lesson to other stupid girls about the horrors of ISIS

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #137 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:12pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 11:14pm: I hope her abusers and killers cop shrapnel wounds to the gut and die slowly from infection..... couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of blokes.... IM with you on that one.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #138 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:13pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:12pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 11:14pm: I hope her abusers and killers cop shrapnel wounds to the gut and die slowly from infection..... couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of blokes.... IM with you on that one. Me too.
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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #139 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Grooming rapists don't tell their victims they are going to be raped. Do you think this girl was unaware she was travelling to live in and support a war, or what ISIS's reputation was with women? If she thought she was merely going out for coffee with a swarthy darkie, you might have a point.

FD you realise there are thousands of women in this country who willingly continue to go back to abusive husbands? We even have a term for it - battered wife syndrome. Do we go around mocking them and nominating them for Darwin awards? Some might, but mostly we acknowledge that its pointless to blame the victim. Pull the right emotional strings and humans are susceptible to all sorts of seemingly irrational choices - especially impressionable children who are the target of professional groomers

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

Obviously. She thought the non-Muslim women were the sex slaves. Being a Muslim, she thought she would be the ubermensch. Maybe she thought she would have her own slaves.

Here's a thought - maybe the groomers that targeted her were more convincing than you in their propaganda about ISIS - also they targeted her, you didn't.

So now all the women travelling to the Islamic State to support the 'noble cause' are victims? Or only the ones who end up regretting it?

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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #140 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:19pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:29pm:

So now all the women travelling to the Islamic State to support the 'noble cause' are victims? Or only the ones who end up regretting it?

A child who gets raped and murdered is a victim in anyone's book FD, thats not the issue here. The question here is whether or not she 'deserved' it.

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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #142 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Did she deserve the death penalty for joining ISIS while knowing full well the horrors these jihadists had been engaged in? Probably not.

Do I feel sorry she came to a sticky end? Certainly not.

Well I feel sorry for her.

I'm also cranky with her for being so stupid.

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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #143 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Did she deserve the death penalty for joining ISIS while knowing full well the horrors these jihadists had been engaged in? Probably not.

Do I feel sorry she came to a sticky end? Certainly not.

Well I feel sorry for her.

I'm also cranky with her for being so stupid.

You're cranky with a corpse?

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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #144 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:40pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Grooming rapists don't tell their victims they are going to be raped. Do you think this girl was unaware she was travelling to live in and support a war, or what ISIS's reputation was with women? If she thought she was merely going out for coffee with a swarthy darkie, you might have a point.

FD you realise there are thousands of women in this country who willingly continue to go back to abusive husbands? We even have a term for it - battered wife syndrome. Do we go around mocking them and nominating them for Darwin awards? Some might, but mostly we acknowledge that its pointless to blame the victim. Pull the right emotional strings and humans are susceptible to all sorts of seemingly irrational choices - especially impressionable children who are the target of professional groomers

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

Obviously. She thought the non-Muslim women were the sex slaves. Being a Muslim, she thought she would be the ubermensch. Maybe she thought she would have her own slaves.

Here's a thought - maybe the groomers that targeted her were more convincing than you in their propaganda about ISIS - also they targeted her, you didn't.

So now all the women travelling to the Islamic State to support the 'noble cause' are victims? Or only the ones who end up regretting it?

FD, I know you directed the question at Gandalf...but IMO, they are victims.....brainwashed victims of a dangerous group of bastards.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38774 Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #145 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:56pm Quote: FD, I know you directed the question at Gandalf...but IMO, they are victims.....brainwashed victims of a dangerous group of bastards. I don't and I doubt others give a flying phark about your pathetic and naked opinion. It cuts no mustard. Explain why, and you might get some interest.
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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #146 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:58pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:40pm: