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Reply #195 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

So ISIS is morally superior to US foreign policy?

Again, not what I said - but I understand your need to put words into my mouth. Saying that supporting a system that kills millions world-wide is morally far worse than supporting a system that kills thousands in a confined area - says nothing of the morality of the actual systems in question. Of course ISIS is not "morally superior" to the US policies - for the simple reason that if ISIS could be as destructive as the US then they no doubt would be.

You're in your element here aren't you FD. Lining up another quote for your wiki, or getting some juicy material for your next point scoring thread. Its quite pathetic.

What about your little firecracker here - your revelation that you believe certain women deserve to be raped, tortured and murdered? Surely another FD would get years of material from that one quote wouldn't they?

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Is death toll your only measure of this?

What can I say, I'm a utilitarian.

what's this 'kills millions world-wide' rubbish? care to support that and pelase dont debase yourself by including muslim deaths at muslim hands.

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Reply #197 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

So ISIS is morally superior to US foreign policy?

Again, not what I said - but I understand your need to put words into my mouth. Saying that supporting a system that kills millions world-wide is morally far worse than supporting a system that kills thousands in a confined area - says nothing of the morality of the actual systems in question. Of course ISIS is not "morally superior" to the US policies - for the simple reason that if ISIS could be as destructive as the US then they no doubt would be.

You're in your element here aren't you FD. Lining up another quote for your wiki, or getting some juicy material for your next point scoring thread. Its quite pathetic.

What about your little firecracker here - your revelation that you believe certain women deserve to be raped, tortured and murdered? Surely another FD would get years of material from that one quote wouldn't they?

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Is death toll your only measure of this?

What can I say, I'm a utilitarian.

what's this 'kills millions world-wide' rubbish? care to support that and pelase dont debase yourself by including muslim deaths at muslim hands.

It was use of language, you know...expressions, like an obvious exaggeration to make a point. You often lecture us on that, so I'm surprised to see your silly comment.

Did I just say....surprised?

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Reply #198 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

the 'hundreds of thousands' dead was muslims vs muslims. it was not the Allies. muslims have an apaling habit of murdering each other by the millions eg Iran vs Iraq and who can forget ISIS who ahve killed far more muslims than 'infidels'

When the Nazi top brass were tried at Nuremberg, the "supreme crime" was not the crime of killing millions of Russians and Poles, or even killing 6 million jews - it was the crime of 'aggressive war' - invading other countries unprovoked from which all the other atrocities spawned from. Put simply, no aggressive war, and there is no holocaust and no mass slaughter of Russians, Poles etc.

Invading Iraq is another case of 'aggressive war' - from which all the subsequent atrocities spawned from. Even if it wasn't the US doing all the slaughtering, they enabled it all through engaging in aggressive war: no invasion of Iraq, no sunni-shiite civil war, and no ISIS.

And I'm only going to make this point once - I've been round this merry-go-round too many times over many years - and I'm not doing it again.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #199 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:34pm Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:18pm: It was use of language, you know...expressions, like an obvious exaggeration to make a point. not at all. 2-4 million dead Vietnamese alone. And thats just one of the many needless aggressive wars the US has launched around the world since the end of WWII.
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Reply #200 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

It was use of language, you know...expressions, like an obvious exaggeration to make a point.

not at all. 2-4 million dead Vietnamese alone. And thats just one of the many needless aggressive wars the US has launched around the world since the end of WWII.

I'm surprised to see that figure. I guess you would not have asserted it if you could not prove it.

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Reply #201 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:45pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

So ISIS is morally superior to US foreign policy?

Again, not what I said - but I understand your need to put words into my mouth. Saying that supporting a system that kills millions world-wide is morally far worse than supporting a system that kills thousands in a confined area - says nothing of the morality of the actual systems in question. Of course ISIS is not "morally superior" to the US policies - for the simple reason that if ISIS could be as destructive as the US then they no doubt would be.

You're in your element here aren't you FD. Lining up another quote for your wiki, or getting some juicy material for your next point scoring thread. Its quite pathetic.

What about your little firecracker here - your revelation that you believe certain women deserve to be raped, tortured and murdered? Surely another FD would get years of material from that one quote wouldn't they?

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Is death toll your only measure of this?

What can I say, I'm a utilitarian.

what's this 'kills millions world-wide' rubbish? care to support that and pelase dont debase yourself by including muslim deaths at muslim hands.

It was use of language, you know...expressions, like an obvious exaggeration to make a point. You often lecture us on that, so I'm surprised to see your silly comment.

Did I just say....surprised?

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Reply #202 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

It was use of language, you know...expressions, like an obvious exaggeration to make a point.

not at all. 2-4 million dead Vietnamese alone. And thats just one of the many needless aggressive wars the US has launched around the world since the end of WWII.

would you care to tell us who STARTED the vietnam war? or the korean war? typically, you wil find the US doesnt start wars but instead ENDS them

get ur history right.

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Reply #203 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:47pm

I worked with Assyrians who had escaped on foot over the northern mountains at night while Saddam's murder squads were hunting for Assyrians in the valleys below.

I wish you could have had a chat with them. They had stories to tell. The US invasion was D-Day for them - just as it was for the Iraqi Marsh Arabs.

Gandalf - your logic is not only flawed, but is a cowardly rationalisation that attempts to shift the MORAL blame for the internecine barbarities that happened in Iraq as the consequence of the Coalition of the Willing having deposed a Police State dictatorship which then allowed the citizens to act freely without fear of retribution from Saddam's minions and henchmen.

What happened was cathartic in terms of the Iraqis sorting themselves out with no one to stop them.

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Reply #204 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

It was use of language, you know...expressions, like an obvious exaggeration to make a point.

not at all. 2-4 million dead Vietnamese alone. And thats just one of the many needless aggressive wars the US has launched around the world since the end of WWII.

would you care to tell us who STARTED the vietnam war? or the korean war? typically, you wil find the US doesnt start wars but instead ENDS them

get ur history right.

Probably the French, but that seems hardly relevant to what gandalf is arguing.

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Reply #205 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:01pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

It was use of language, you know...expressions, like an obvious exaggeration to make a point.

not at all. 2-4 million dead Vietnamese alone. And thats just one of the many needless aggressive wars the US has launched around the world since the end of WWII.

would you care to tell us who STARTED the vietnam war? or the korean war? typically, you wil find the US doesnt start wars but instead ENDS them

get ur history right.

Probably the French, but that seems hardly relevant to what gandalf is arguing.

it was the Norths invasion of the south that started it. the allies responded.

gandalf is not really arguing at all. he is trying to gloss over the eternal wars between muslim sects that get blamed on any westerner walking past the genocide.

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Reply #207 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

would you care to tell us who STARTED the vietnam war?

You're right Longy - the French started it, after the Vietnamese had the hide to want independence from French occupation. After the French were kicked out, the Americans just picked up where the French left off - fighting to deny the will of the Vietnamese people to unite their country.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #208 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:12pm Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:01pm: Gandalf thinks the wars were unprovoked? Of course not Maqqa - those pesky tinted people had the hide to want to be economically independent from the US - thats a provocation if ever I've seen one!
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Reply #209 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 8:15am

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err precisely what you just quoted me saying above

No wonder you didn't quote the whole post then. It sounds like you are saying something about the morality of it, then a few posts later insisting you are saying nothing about the morality.

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

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Saying that supporting a system that kills millions world-wide is morally far worse than supporting a system that kills thousands in a confined area - says nothing of the morality of the actual systems in question.

So what were you trying to say here?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 2:51pm:

Gandalf are you suggesting that support for ISIS is morally equivalent to support for US foreign policy?

Not at all - its not nearly as bad.

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