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ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? (Read 13026 times)
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Reply #30 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:09am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 6:46am:
cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 6:22am:
I guess some folks have forgotten what its like to be a teenager..


Grin Grin Grin

At 16 I knew the difference between sh*t and clay



Yet you don't now.

What happened, Lord Herpes - dementia?

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Reply #31 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:12am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:39am:
She obviously didn't know what she was getting into ...


Obviously?

Everybody else in the Western world who has a television set has known only too well from very graphic footage exactly what was going on over there.





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Reply #32 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:14am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 8:50am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 8:48am:
mothra wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:39am:
Agreed. She obviously didn't know what she was getting into or she wouldn't have tried to escape so many times.


Ignorant nonsense.

She said she was willing to die for Allah. What part of that don't you understand?




Then why did she try to escape s many times Herbie?


I've already explained that at length in my above post.
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Reply #33 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:15am
 
I don't care how they do it. They can bulldoze them into the sand for all I care, but these Daesh thugs need to be obliterated from the face of the Earth.
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Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it?
Reply #34 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:16am
 
John_Taverner wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:15am:
I don't care how they do it. They can bulldoze them into the sand for all I care, but these Daesh thugs need to be obliterated from the face of the Earth.


Hear hear!
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Reply #35 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:23am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:14am:
mothra wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 8:50am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 8:48am:
mothra wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:39am:
Agreed. She obviously didn't know what she was getting into or she wouldn't have tried to escape so many times.


Ignorant nonsense.

She said she was willing to die for Allah. What part of that don't you understand?




Then why did she try to escape s many times Herbie?


I've already explained that at length in my above post.



No. You haven't.

The only logical conclusion is that what she got isn't what she was expecting.
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Reply #36 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:28am
 
A female at 17 years and 363 days is considered a child

A female at 18 years and 1 day is considered as an adult

Are we suggesting within those few days a switch suddenly came on?

Sound parenting plays a major role in the transition between adulthood and childhood.

I am not blaming her parents, but a 16 years old didn't just decide overnight to run to the ISIS cause

This takes grooming and grooming takes a significant period of time.
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Reply #37 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:33am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 8:57am:
17 years old is still a child.
Impressionable and vulnerable Herb.


A 17 year old girl is no longer a 'child'. Many smart girls enter university only a year later.

She knew exactly what she was looking at on the television news services and on the internet when Yazidis were being chased and hounded and raped.

And then the Americans having their throats cut by that London Arab.

And strings of people being led off into the desert to be shot.

And the rest.

Tell me how she filtered out these horrors from her 'understanding' of what to expect over there, and what sort of people these were?

She fell foul of these people ONLY when she found herself becoming a focus of 'interest' from the pigs around her.

For as long as it was OTHERS receiving their monstrous attentions in the name of 'Allah' and the creation of a caliphate - she was okay with that.


I think what I'm experiencing here is a generation gap with you younger ones. You've grown up in a Modern Day school system in which namby-pamby ideas of 'tolerance, and forgiveness, and political correctness, and the 'customer is always right' bullshit is the prevailing ethic. 



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Reply #38 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:39am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:28am:
A female at 17 years and 363 days is considered a child

A female at 18 years and 1 day is considered as an adult

Are we suggesting within those few days a switch suddenly came on?

Sound parenting plays a major role in the transition between adulthood and childhood.

I am not blaming her parents, but a 16 years old didn't just decide overnight to run to the ISIS cause

This takes grooming and grooming takes a significant period of time.


Correct.

And sorry - but the parents should be held criminally responsible for not having supervised their daughter more carefully.

Ignorance is no excuse before the law.
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Reply #39 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:45am
 
Austria
Age of consent - 16
Legal drinking age - 16
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Reply #40 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:49am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:28am:
A female at 17 years and 363 days is considered a child

A female at 18 years and 1 day is considered as an adult

Are we suggesting within those few days a switch suddenly came on?

Sound parenting plays a major role in the transition between adulthood and childhood.

I am not blaming her parents, but a 16 years old didn't just decide overnight to run to the ISIS cause

This takes grooming and grooming takes a significant period of time.


I don't have a 17 yr old daughter anymore. She's 19 yrs old now. As such, she is technically an adult at law.....but believe you me, even at 19, and even though she's a clever uni student, she's just a kid. Why? She's very trusting and innocent.  She lacks worldly experience. (She still cuddles up to her fav teddy bear at night).

As a mum, I oversee her every move online like a hawk....and I make sure I know her every move each day. Why? She's vulnerable, I love her heaps...and I don't trust the many dheads out there ...esp in cyberspace.

It's a tough gig being a parent. From the get go, your kids will need to be watched over and cared for. As they get older, you discover that things get trickier. It's a never ending learning curve.

Right now, my heart goes out to the poor mums of these 17yr old girls. They're going through hell.

It's impt that other girls see what has happened. Sometimes it takes a deadly lesson to drive a point home.
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Reply #41 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:51am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:45am:
Austria
Age of consent - 16
Legal drinking age - 16


AUSTRIA

You are considered as a minor, If you haven´t completed your 18th birthday (§ 21 para 2 Civil Code).

According to the law for the protection of the youth of the states Steiermark, Kärnten, Tirol and Vorarlberg, person are children up to 14 years of age. Person from the age of 14 up to 18 years of age are considered as young people.

The law for the protection of the youth of the state Oberösterreich determine all person up to 18 years of age as young people.
The law for the protection of the youth of the states Wien, Niederösterreich and Burgenland is using “young people” up to 18 years of age instead of saying children or young person.
You become a major with 18 years.
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Reply #42 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:52am
 
This is semantics though Maqqa.
They are impressionable teenage girls who in no way "deserved" to be raped and killed with a hammer by these barbarians.
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Reply #43 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:52am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:23am:
The only logical conclusion is that what she got isn't what she was expecting.


I've already explained the one small element that she may have been in ignorance of, although how, I can't imagine.

The error she made was in thinking she would be greeted as an equal. 

Everything in Islam screams out that women are secondary to the menfolk - and it's not a gender democracy in a great many Muslim households that stick with tradition.

Fathers and sons are the top bananas in many traditional Muslim households - with the daughter always at risk of a beating from her brothers.

How she failed to understand this at age 17 is quite frankly unbelievable. Her apologists may grab at this straw, but it won't float in any serious debate on a television panel or a university stage.

 
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Reply #44 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:57am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:49am:
I don't have a 17 yr old daughter anymore. She's 19 yrs old now. As such, she is technically an adult at law.....but believe you me, evenat 19 she's just a kid. Why? She's very trusting and innocent. (She still cuddles up to her fav teddy bear at night).

As a mum, I oversee her every move online like a hawk....and I make sure I know her every move each day. Why? She's vulnerable, I love her heaps...and I don't trust the many dheads out there ...esp in cyberspace.

It's a tough gig being a parent. From the get go, your kids will need to be watched over and cared for. As they get older, you discover that things get trickier. It's a never ending learning curve.

Right now, my heart goes out to the poor mums of these 17yr old girls. They're going through hell.

Anyway.....it's impt that other girls see what has happened. Sometimes it takes a deadly lesson to drive a point home.


You're too soft hearted LJ

I am the cold hearted bustard

But you've raised both sides of the argument here
(1) Emotional fallout of the event
(2) Deadly lesson of the event

Oft times our politically correct society focus too much the the emotional fallout and forget the lesson
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