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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #75 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:10pm How about the Arabs rid their world of ISIS. Or not. What the hell this has anything to do with Australia. We should close our contact in any way shape or form to all these filthy countries.
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Reply #76 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:45pm

No one deserves what happened to the girls, not even the terrorists themselves. Its much more merciful to put a bullet through instead.

They are not adults, and their brains have not formed enough, and their inexperience, making them an easy target for indoctrination.

ISIS is repeating the mistakes of Taliban (who is now public acknowledged that what they did to women in their time, was wrong - although I am very sceptical of that). A rule of tyranny, and of crime humanity, will keep them in power temporarily, however, they will lose the popular support - or in this case inertia. My guess, is that the people who perpetrated these crimes are just bunch of uneducated ruffians - usually men with ego problems.

Re Ian:

Well, its difficult. When we are trying to topple Iran and Syria - the main ISIS opposition in the region. At the same time, we are helping the Saudis in the Saudi Yemen conflict. There are ALOT of vested interest for the West in this region, and we are talking about conflicts dating back to the Roman days. Its not going to end in a hurry.

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Reply #78 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:05pm

ian wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

How about the Arabs rid their world of ISIS. Or not. What the hell this has anything to do with Australia. We should close our contact in any way shape or form to all these filthy countries.

And not one thing would change if we left. We are not required or needed there. We have no right or place there.

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Reply #79 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:04pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:05pm:

ian wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

How about the Arabs rid their world of ISIS. Or not. What the hell this has anything to do with Australia. We should close our contact in any way shape or form to all these filthy countries.

And not one thing would change if we left. We are not required or needed there. We have no right or place there.

Totally agree with Aussie and Ian.

Get the hell out of the Middle East - including Afghanistan.

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Reply #80 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:44pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:07am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

17 years old is still a child.
Impressionable and vulnerable Herb.

This people are pigs and cowards. These girls deserved none of that.

ISIS is a product of your ilk hicks. The insatiable greed for oil has created this monster in the middle east and now you are pretending like you weren't part of it !!

What does that mean ?

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Reply #81 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:45pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

No one deserves what happened to the girls, not even the terrorists themselves. Its much more merciful to put a bullet through instead.

They are not adults, and their brains have not formed enough, and their inexperience, making them an easy target for indoctrination.

So at what age would you suggest their brains to be formed enough?

She played with ISIS - was she expecting to be sent to a naughty corner?

It's time we viewed the consequences as a deserving outcome for those who won't think and/or take responsibility for their actions

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Reply #82 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:43pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

No one deserves what happened to the girls, not even the terrorists themselves. Its much more merciful to put a bullet through instead.

They are not adults, and their brains have not formed enough, and their inexperience, making them an easy target for indoctrination.

So at what age would you suggest their brains to be formed enough?

She played with ISIS - was she expecting to be sent to a naughty corner?

It's time we viewed the consequences as a deserving outcome for those who won't think and/or take responsibility for their actions

In terms of age of maturity and competency, I will follow the guideline of Gillick competency. And it varies from issue to issue. In this case, clearly, her mental development have not reached a stage when she can see through the lies of ISIS.

The issue here is that she was lied to. She was promised glory and purpose, and ISIS took advantages of her vulnerability. This is a despicable crime against a child. She was lured, raped and then killed. And this is the reason why our law specifically dictate that children cannot consent to have sex with grown men, even if implied consent was given. Yes she had made a mistake, a foolish mistake. But what happened to her was despicable, and I hope one day her perpetrators will be bought to justice.

The only positive out of this, is that lets hope other young girls will heed this warning, and do not follow in her footsteps.

PS> (That is if this story is not fabricated by Western Media to discourage new recruits... but hey, strange world we live in right?)

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Reply #83 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:52pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

No one deserves what happened to the girls, not even the terrorists themselves. Its much more merciful to put a bullet through instead.

They are not adults, and their brains have not formed enough, and their inexperience, making them an easy target for indoctrination.

So at what age would you suggest their brains to be formed enough?

She played with ISIS - was she expecting to be sent to a naughty corner?

It's time we viewed the consequences as a deserving outcome for those who won't think and/or take responsibility for their actions

In terms of age of maturity and competency, I will follow the guideline of Gillick competency. And it varies from issue to issue. In this case, clearly, her mental development have not reached a stage when she can see through the lies of ISIS.

The issue here is that she was lied to. She was promised glory and purpose, and ISIS took advantages of her vulnerability. This is a despicable crime against a child. She was lured, raped and then killed. And this is the reason why our law specifically dictate that children cannot consent to have sex with grown men, even if implied consent was given. Yes she had made a mistake, a foolish mistake. But what happened to her was despicable, and I hope one day her perpetrators will be bought to justice.

The only positive out of this, is that lets hope other young girls will heed this warning, and do not follow in her footsteps.

PS> (That is if this story is not fabricated by Western Media to discourage new recruits... but hey, strange world we live in right?)

I agree with the posting of that caveat.

But, I'm also interested in what you say if she had been shooting a kalashnikov as a Member of ISIS. I've asked Hicks the same question, but he has not answered.

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Reply #84 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

ian wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

How about the Arabs rid their world of ISIS. Or not. What the hell this has anything to do with Australia. We should close our contact in any way shape or form to all these filthy countries.

most arab countries couldnt defeat a boy scout troop. they are generally awful.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49096 At my desk.	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #85 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.
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Reply #86 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:47pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

No one deserves what happened to the girls, not even the terrorists themselves. Its much more merciful to put a bullet through instead.

They are not adults, and their brains have not formed enough, and their inexperience, making them an easy target for indoctrination.

So at what age would you suggest their brains to be formed enough?

She played with ISIS - was she expecting to be sent to a naughty corner?

It's time we viewed the consequences as a deserving outcome for those who won't think and/or take responsibility for their actions

In terms of age of maturity and competency, I will follow the guideline of Gillick competency. And it varies from issue to issue. In this case, clearly, her mental development have not reached a stage when she can see through the lies of ISIS.

The issue here is that she was lied to. She was promised glory and purpose, and ISIS took advantages of her vulnerability. This is a despicable crime against a child. She was lured, raped and then killed. And this is the reason why our law specifically dictate that children cannot consent to have sex with grown men, even if implied consent was given. Yes she had made a mistake, a foolish mistake. But what happened to her was despicable, and I hope one day her perpetrators will be bought to justice.

The only positive out of this, is that lets hope other young girls will heed this warning, and do not follow in her footsteps.

PS> (That is if this story is not fabricated by Western Media to discourage new recruits... but hey, strange world we live in right?)

the story has been confirmed by a number of sources. it is also thoroughly consistent with everything we know about ISIS. why would anyone need to fabricate a story about two well known girls when there are more than enough additional stories even more horrific to tell?

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #87 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:53pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Nooooo. Hicks will tell you they are just kids who know not what they do. Mr Hicks ran like a freshly pharked ferret when asked what his view would be if she had been shooting a kalashnikov for ISIS. I wonder how he would deal with the obvious analogy.....replace 17 year old female/kalashnikov with 17 year old male/kalashnikov.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49096 At my desk.	Re: ISIS raped her then killed her - deserved it? Reply #88 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:30pm If her death helps stem the tide of Muslim women traveling to ISIS to support the troops, then her death has not been in vain.
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Reply #89 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:34pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

If her death helps stem the tide of Muslim women traveling to ISIS to support the troops, then her death has not been in vain.

Well said.

Being a blonde, blue-eyed white girl like some of those Yazidi girls - didn't help her chances much. She was exposed cat-meat the moment she arrived in ISIS territory.

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