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Reply #90 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:48pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

If her death helps stem the tide of Muslim women traveling to ISIS to support the troops, then her death has not been in vain.

Well said.

Being a blonde, blue-eyed white girl like some of those Yazidi girls - didn't help her chances much. She was exposed cat-meat the moment she arrived in ISIS territory.

Huh? This is blonde blue eyed?

FD....let's get your position sorted here. 17 year old female who volunteers to serve ISIS is just a mixed up kid. 17 year old male is......what? And how about a 15 year old killer of a civilian accountant here in Australia? What was he. An ISIS plant....or a dick head?

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Reply #91 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:16pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:

FD....let's get your position sorted here. 17 year old female who volunteers to serve ISIS is just a mixed up kid. 17 year old male is......what? And how about a 15 year old killer of a civilian accountant here in Australia? What was he. An ISIS plant....or a dick head?

FFS

Mixed up kid??!!!

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Reply #92 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:

FD....let's get your position sorted here. 17 year old female who volunteers to serve ISIS is just a mixed up kid. 17 year old male is......what? And how about a 15 year old killer of a civilian accountant here in Australia? What was he. An ISIS plant....or a dick head?

for goodness sake

Mixed up kid??!!!

Ask Hicks...not me.

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Reply #93 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

In terms of age of maturity and competency, I will follow the guideline of Gillick competency. And it varies from issue to issue. In this case, clearly, her mental development have not reached a stage when she can see through the lies of ISIS.

The issue here is that she was lied to. She was promised glory and purpose, and ISIS took advantages of her vulnerability. This is a despicable crime against a child. She was lured, raped and then killed. And this is the reason why our law specifically dictate that children cannot consent to have sex with grown men, even if implied consent was given. Yes she had made a mistake, a foolish mistake. But what happened to her was despicable, and I hope one day her perpetrators will be bought to justice.

The only positive out of this, is that lets hope other young girls will heed this warning, and do not follow in her footsteps.

PS> (That is if this story is not fabricated by Western Media to discourage new recruits... but hey, strange world we live in right?)

So how do we tell is someone deliberately fail the Gillick test?

And does that then mean anyone failing it is absolved from any culpability?

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Reply #94 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:46pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

In terms of age of maturity and competency, I will follow the guideline of Gillick competency. And it varies from issue to issue. In this case, clearly, her mental development have not reached a stage when she can see through the lies of ISIS.

The issue here is that she was lied to. She was promised glory and purpose, and ISIS took advantages of her vulnerability. This is a despicable crime against a child. She was lured, raped and then killed. And this is the reason why our law specifically dictate that children cannot consent to have sex with grown men, even if implied consent was given. Yes she had made a mistake, a foolish mistake. But what happened to her was despicable, and I hope one day her perpetrators will be bought to justice.

The only positive out of this, is that lets hope other young girls will heed this warning, and do not follow in her footsteps.

PS> (That is if this story is not fabricated by Western Media to discourage new recruits... but hey, strange world we live in right?)

So how do we tell is someone deliberately fail the Gillick test?

And does that then mean anyone failing it is absolved from any culpability?

If they emerge from Maqqa's wood shed without a FATWA they pass.

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Reply #95 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

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Reply #96 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Just for females of course. 17 year old males with a kalashnikov are barbarians. We all know that.

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Reply #97 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Precisely. There is no doubt in my mind that this poor young girl was groomed in a like manner to the methods of any sexual predator. She was probably promised the earth by some young, attractive man who convinced her that the western media was only showing propaganda about ISIS and that their cause was much more noble.

The same way they recruit foolish young boys.

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Reply #98 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:29pm

mothra wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Precisely. There is no doubt in my mind that this poor young girl was groomed in a like manner to the methods of any sexual predator. She was probably promised the earth by some young, attractive man who convinced her that the western media was only showing propaganda about ISIS and that their cause was much more noble.

The same way they recruit foolish young boys.

Indeed.

All of that means nothing to Lord Herbert, though.

Lord Herbert: "I'm glad they got raped out of their minds and then killed by a lunatic running after them with a hammer."

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Reply #99 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

I don't see much sympathy for the young men joining ISIS and then getting executing for changing their mind. I don't feel any for these girls either. It's no big secret what ISIS does to non-Muslim women they catch. Any woman who wants to go and support that deserves whatever they get.

Someone described it exactly for what it was - grooming. We in the west are familiar with this sinister practice of men seducing young girls and then raping them. Interesting that we don't have a knee-jerk reaction to blame those victims. Likewise, our culture has had great success in weeding out the noxious attitude that says, for example, that women who wear skimply clothing "deserve" to be raped. Maybe its time we started viewing these sorts of groomings in the same way.

Precisely. There is no doubt in my mind that this poor young girl was groomed in a like manner to the methods of any sexual predator. She was probably promised the earth by some young, attractive man who convinced her that the western media was only showing propaganda about ISIS and that their cause was much more noble.

The same way they recruit foolish young boys.

Indeed.

All of that means nothing to Lord Herbert, though.

Lord Herbert: "I'm glad they got raped out of their minds and then killed by a lunatic running after them with a hammer."

I know. It's sickening. So is the thread title and more than a few comments in this thread.

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Reply #101 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:32pm

mothra wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Glad. He actually said glad.

Indeed.

Lord Herbert actually said:

"I'm glad they got raped out of their minds and then killed by a lunatic running after them with a hammer."

He was glad they got raped, and he was glad they were murdered.

Lord Herbert.

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Reply #102 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Glad. He actually said glad.

Indeed.

Lord Herbert actually said:

"I'm glad they got raped out of their minds and then killed by a lunatic running after them with a hammer."

He was glad they got raped, and he was glad they were murdered.

Lord Herbert.

Come on!!!! Credit where it is due! Hicks would not have a bar of that stuff when a 17 year old female is involved, but he is totally unforgiving if it is a male. They are 'barbarians' those 17 year old fellas. The 17 year old females are.......

Bah humbug!

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Reply #103 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:30pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

In terms of age of maturity and competency, I will follow the guideline of Gillick competency. And it varies from issue to issue. In this case, clearly, her mental development have not reached a stage when she can see through the lies of ISIS.

The issue here is that she was lied to. She was promised glory and purpose, and ISIS took advantages of her vulnerability. This is a despicable crime against a child. She was lured, raped and then killed. And this is the reason why our law specifically dictate that children cannot consent to have sex with grown men, even if implied consent was given. Yes she had made a mistake, a foolish mistake. But what happened to her was despicable, and I hope one day her perpetrators will be bought to justice.

The only positive out of this, is that lets hope other young girls will heed this warning, and do not follow in her footsteps.

PS> (That is if this story is not fabricated by Western Media to discourage new recruits... but hey, strange world we live in right?)

So how do we tell is someone deliberately fail the Gillick test?

And does that then mean anyone failing it is absolved from any culpability?

Well, first of all, the girl in question was the victim. She was lured to join the ISIS, but in essence, she was never part of IS, except its sex slave and earlier on a tool for propaganda. For all we know, she could be a victim of ISIS factional in fighting as well. But I guess, we will never found out the truth.

As to the question of absolved from culpability, well, we can not be so absolute to be yes or no. In a court, we have to take in to account each individual circumstances and make a fair call. What if, the girl do have a low IQ because of say cerebral palsy, or have intellectual disability. What if she came from a history of abuse, and this is the way for her to escape - or she thought. Many young girls in Australia were lured into drug use, not because they want to have fun, but alot of times to escape from reality of their suffering and to self medicate.

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