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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: U.N. Official Real Reason Behind Warming Scare Reply #15 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:58pm I'm waiting for Ajax or someone else to show where the UN said it is attacking Capitalism. As claimed in the OP.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17290 Gender:	Re: U.N. Official Real Reason Behind Warming Scare Reply #16 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 7:11pm random wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:58pm: I'm waiting for Ajax or someone else to show where the UN said it is attacking Capitalism. As claimed in the OP. Nice backdown, without admitting fault.
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: U.N. Official Real Reason Behind Warming Scare Reply #17 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 7:29pm Nice attempt at a win, fail. I so where did the UN say they were attacking Capitalism? From Ajax or any sycophants of his will do.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17290 Gender:	Re: U.N. Official Real Reason Behind Warming Scare Reply #18 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 7:32pm random wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 7:29pm: Nice attempt at a win, fail. I so where did the UN say they were attacking Capitalism? From Ajax or any sycophants of his will do. You expect explicit statements from a political body? You've never heard of plausible deniability? Wow.
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Reply #19 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:13am

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

Complete bullshite. Get with it Ajax, even shills gave up on that one some time ago.

There can be some nice gains made in manufacturing renewable equipment.

It's just the oil companies shatting themselves. And I like that Grin

Imagine how pissed of you would be if you made money pumping up stuff you didn't even have to make, then someone made it obsolete!

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/files/2013/04/tantrum.jpg

If you can't understand what you are reading that's not my problem.

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2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: U.N. Official Real Reason Behind Warming Scare Reply #20 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:34am OP quote; "executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism." Had a look and can't see where that was said. Ajax is making shite up again.
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Reply #21 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:46am

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

OP quote;

"executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism."

Had a look and can't see where that was said. Ajax is making shite up again.

If you like your current lifestyle you better get with the times cause the environmental movement wants to destroy it.

Here's a quote from the pig that created agenda 21.

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“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle-class … involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air- conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable .… A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns.”

Maurice Strong who spearheaded the 1991 Rio Earth Summit wrote in the U.N.’s Conference on Environmental Development (UNCED) report

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?"

- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

"If we don't change, our species will not survive... Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse."

-Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine

Maurice saviour of the world

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: U.N. Official Real Reason Behind Warming Scare Reply #22 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:50am OP quote; "executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism." Still can't see any reference by the UN to destroy capitalisim. OP is bullshite.
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Reply #23 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:56am

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:50am:

OP quote;

"executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism."

Still can't see any reference by the UN to destroy capitalisim. OP is bullshite.

Here it is under your nose, if you can't understand it like I said its not my problem.

Quote:

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said.

Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: "This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history."

The only economic model in the last 150 years that has ever worked at all is capitalism. The evidence is prima facie: From a feudal order that lasted a thousand years, produced zero growth and kept workdays long and lifespans short, the countries that have embraced free-market capitalism have enjoyed a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled.

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Reply #24 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:06am

Nice projection. Projecting your fears onto a broad statement. It could be hyper-capitalism? Could be anything.

Where does it say it is out to destroy Capitalism?

BTW I wish they had said that, but what do you think has been, and is powering the UN?

Moving away from carbon power is not incompatible with capitalism. All that is required is to move to a Triple Bottom Line model and everything will at least be better than what is happening now.

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Reply #25 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

Nice projection. Projecting your fears onto a broad statement. It could be hyper-capitalism? Could be anything.

Where does it say it is out to destroy Capitalism?

What is our current economic model...?

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

BTW I wish they had said that, but what do you think has been, and is powering the UN?

The World Bank.

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

Moving away from carbon power is not incompatible with capitalism. All that is required is to move to a Triple Bottom Line model and everything will at least be better than what is happening now.

Never said it was..??

Problem is through the environment movement these people control nations.

These pigs are the very ones that want a one world government otherwise their dreams for the environment can never be realised.

Hey random I want pollution cleaned up just as much as you do, but we can do it ourselves we don't need PIGS like Maurice Strong from half way around the world telling us how to do it.

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Reply #26 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:22am

But the bullshit continues in your OP.

this is a classic,

"a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled."

My version of history says that socialism was responsible for the reduction of working ours, while the capitalist machine resisted to the end, it still is. Today in Australia we have the removal of penalty rates for Sundays and the erosion of wages generally. Working hours have been increasing beyond what people are paid for.

Lately, in connection with the penalty rate issue has been a media campaign to warm up the sheep for the introduction of 'tipping' as a norm in Australia. This would create a tolerance for a further reduction of hospitality and catering wages with tipping making up the difference.

If you like capitalism so much move to America, it's home. Seen the average wage there lately? Free market capitalism has no soul, no conscience, humans are resources to be used.

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Reply #27 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:38am

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

But the bullshit continues in your OP.

this is a classic,

"a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled."

My version of history says that socialism was responsible for the reduction of working ours, while the capitalist machine resisted to the end, it still is. Today in Australia we have the removal of penalty rates for Sundays and the erosion of wages generally. Working hours have been increasing beyond what people are paid for.

Lately, in connection with the penalty rate issue has been a media campaign to warm up the sheep for the introduction of 'tipping' as a norm in Australia. This would create a tolerance for a further reduction of hospitality and catering wages with tipping making up the difference.

If you like capitalism so much move to America, it's home. Seen the average wage there lately? Free market capitalism has no soul, no conscience, humans are resources to be used.

You don't know what to say do you......????

Hey don't tell me about all these things I'm a working class man who's paying of his house and putting a couple of kids through the education system.

About penalty rates for the hospitality and catering industry I'm right behind the workers, by reducing the rates it will not create more jobs that is bullshit.

About tipping its always been apart of our culture, in addition to the wages.

I agree that tipping should not replace some aspect of your wages.

When I was going through the education system I worked in the hospitality industry.

Malcolm Turnball has no mandate to do anything until after the next election when he is voted in by the people rather than the party.

On the current economic model of capitalism that the western world has adopted since 1980, (Reagan, Thatcher and Hawke Keating) based on Milton Freidman's idea that you hand all power over to corporations and all else will sort itself is creating the greatest divide between rich and poor in our history.

Its nothing more than the rich hoarding all the wealth of the world at the expense of the middle class and poor.

There are better economic models of capitalism eg.
Keynesian Model.

How Milton Friedman's Capitalism came about..!!

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Reply #28 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:28am

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

My version of history says that socialism was responsible for the reduction of working ours, while the capitalist machine resisted to the end, it still is.

Which definition of "socialism: do you employ?

'n socialism Any theory or system of social organization which would abolish, entirely or in great part, the individual effort and competition on which modern society rests, and substitute for it coöperative action, would introduce a more perfect and equal distribution of the products of labor, and would make land and capital, as the instruments and means of production, the joint possession of the members of the community. The name is used to include a great variety of social theories and reforms which have more or less of this character.

n socialism that Christianity should be directly applied to the ordinary business of life, and that in view of this the present system of competition should give place to coöperative associations both productive and distributive, where all might work together as brothers;

n socialism that any outer change of the laborer's life, as aimed at in most socialistic schemes, would not suffice to settle the labor question, but that there must be an inner change brought about by education and elevation of character, especially through Christianity; and.

n socialism that the aid of the state should not be invoked further than to remove all hostile legislation. A similar scheme appeared somewhat earlier in France. The doctrines of Christian socialism, or similar doctrines under the same name, have been frequently advocated in the United States.

n socialism Specifically, in Germany, legislation, supported by Prince Bismarck, intended to improve the condition of the working-man. Among the measures included were the insurance of workmen against accident, sickness, and old age, and the establishment of cooperative associations under state protection. '

http://www.finedictionary.com/socialism.html

Or do you use one of your specific creation?

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21482 ACT Gender:	Re: U.N. Official Real Reason Behind Warming Scare Reply #29 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:36am Is Ajax related to Alan Jones and Monkton? The AGW Conspiracy theory!
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