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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #105 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

Do you think it is absurd to extend to him the benefit of the doubt until he directly owns that position? Do I need to rephrase this for you some other way?

Well call me Mr "jumping to conclusions" - but I reckon we just read what he actually said and utilise our primary school level English skills to understand it - what do you think?

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

How about you? Do you think we are trying to establish democracy in Iraq?

What do you reckon FD - from all I've said on the matter these past 3 and a bit years (and its been a lot), do you reckon you could take an educated guess? Do you reckon I've been much of a stary-eyed supporter of US imperialism and swallowed the whole "gifting them democracy" schtick?

Well, you never know. Maybe FD can ask you the right question and trap you into it.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #106 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:17pm Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:19pm: freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:20pm: Like I said I like to be clear before I attribute such a ludicrous opinion to someone. Yes, FD did say this. Just noticed this.
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #107 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Sure FD - I totally love US imperialism and totally swallow your bs "we establish democracy wherever we go" meme. I've definitely never objected to any such sentiment before in my 3 and a bit years here Cheesy

Nice work, FD. You’ve got him.

Better whack this one in the Wiki.

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Reply #108 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:22pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

Do you think it is absurd to extend to him the benefit of the doubt until he directly owns that position? Do I need to rephrase this for you some other way?

Well call me Mr "jumping to conclusions" - but I reckon we just read what he actually said and utilise our primary school level English skills to understand it - what do you think?

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

How about you? Do you think we are trying to establish democracy in Iraq?

What do you reckon FD - from all I've said on the matter these past 3 and a bit years (and its been a lot), do you reckon you could take an educated guess? Do you reckon I've been much of a stary-eyed supporter of US imperialism and swallowed the whole "gifting them democracy" schtick?

Well, you never know. Maybe FD can ask you the right question and trap you into it.

Indeed - if its a confusingly worded question that should be answered as a double negative, he'll have enough ammunition to go on for another year. He'll even accuse me of being confusing with the double negative Grin

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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #109 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Ah. So this is you not tapdancing?

Oh its true FD - I am just so ashamed of my love for US imperialism I didn't want to say. You got me FD. Not like you though, you would never spin a yarn for 10 pages to avoid answering a couple of serious questions that has some relevance to the actual topic. What was your answer to Karnal's questions again? I forgot.

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Reply #110 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

Do you think it is absurd to extend to him the benefit of the doubt until he directly owns that position? Do I need to rephrase this for you some other way?

Well call me Mr "jumping to conclusions" - but I reckon we just read what he actually said and utilise our primary school level English skills to understand it - what do you think?

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

How about you? Do you think we are trying to establish democracy in Iraq?

What do you reckon FD - from all I've said on the matter these past 3 and a bit years (and its been a lot), do you reckon you could take an educated guess? Do you reckon I've been much of a stary-eyed supporter of US imperialism and swallowed the whole "gifting them democracy" schtick?

Well, you never know. Maybe FD can ask you the right question and trap you into it.

Indeed - if its a confusingly worded question that should be answered as a double negative, he'll have enough ammunition to go on for another year. He'll even accuse me of being confusing with the double negative Grin

Good point.

FD, could you rephrase the question? We don’t want to leave any room for error here.

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Reply #111 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Sure FD - I totally love US imperialism and totally swallow your bs "we establish democracy wherever we go" meme. I've definitely never objected to any such sentiment before in my 3 and a bit years here Cheesy

Do you feel stupid yet?

Have another go at answering the question Gandalf. In case you have forgotten, here it is again for you:

Are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96194 Gender:	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #112 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:28pm G, could you paraphrase FD’s question? I’m.still not getting it.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #113 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:13am freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:08pm: Have another go at answering the question Gandalf. Why - don't you like my answer?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #114 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:47am You haven't answered it Gandalf. Are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #115 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:08am

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

You haven't answered it Gandalf.

Incorrect:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Sure FD - I totally love US imperialism and totally swallow your bs "we establish democracy wherever we go" meme. I've definitely never objected to any such sentiment before in my 3 and a bit years here Cheesy

Now can you answer K's questions?

1. Do you think, like the UN says, that we should stop invading and overthrowing governments of sovereign nations?
2. How exactly did the US establish democracy in Iraq?

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Reply #116 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:11am

Gandalf, if I asked you whether you love US imperialism, then yes, it would be an answer to my question. But I didn't. Are you honestly unable to tell the difference between that and what I actually asked? Or is this another attempt at avoiding the question?

Are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #117 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:25am Quote: I totally love US imperialism and totally swallow your bs "we establish democracy wherever we go" does "wherever we go" include Iraq do you think FD?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #118 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:27am Sorry thats probably still not clear enough: I totally swallow your BS that we are TRYING to establish democracy wherever we go INCLUDING IRAQ Clear enough yet?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #119 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:49am Quote: does "wherever we go" include Iraq do you think FD? Sure Gandalf. If I asked you whether we establish democracy wherever we go, that would be an answer to the question. Do you see the difference yet? Are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?
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