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Reply #75 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:51pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:41pm:

I asked for a simple clarification on an apparent grammatical error that changed the meaning of his response. It really isn't that complicated Gandalf, and I am sure Karnal doesn't need your support to get through it.

That's right, G. FD is totally in the dark here. Stop trying to confuse him.

Good work though, FD. I had a question. I've completely forgotten what it was.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #76 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:52pm So let me get this straight FD, you still think that... "No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business." ...could possibly mean "yes 'we' are trying to set up democracy" - and you need K to clarify that? Did you take English at High School?
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Reply #77 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:56pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:51pm:

Good work though, FD. I had a question. I've completely forgotten what it was.

It was 2 questions actually:

1. Do you think, like the UN says, that we should stop invading and overthrowing governments of sovereign nations?
2. How exactly did the US establish democracy in Iraq?

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Reply #78 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:51pm:

Good work though, FD. I had a question. I've completely forgotten what it was.

It was 2 questions actually:

1. Do you think, like the UN says, that we should stop invading and overthrowing governments of sovereign nations?
2. How exactly did the US establish democracy in Iraq?

Yes, I know. I've totally forgotten them.

Ask me another question, FD, it might jolt my memory.

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Reply #79 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:51pm:

Good work though, FD. I had a question. I've completely forgotten what it was.

It was 2 questions actually:

1. Do you think, like the UN says, that we should stop invading and overthrowing governments of sovereign nations?
2. How exactly did the US establish democracy in Iraq?

Israel is a sovereign, democratic nation, recognised by the UN. Why do Muslims want to overthrow such a sovereign democratic nation??

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Reply #80 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:30pm

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:51pm:

Good work though, FD. I had a question. I've completely forgotten what it was.

It was 2 questions actually:

1. Do you think, like the UN says, that we should stop invading and overthrowing governments of sovereign nations?
2. How exactly did the US establish democracy in Iraq?

Israel is a sovereign, democratic nation, recognised by the UN. Why do Muslims want to overthrow such a sovereign democratic nation??

Ee-gad, another one. How are we ever going to remember the original question?

Of course, I blame Islam, but that's just me.

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Reply #81 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:41pm

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Why do Muslims want to overthrow such a sovereign democratic nation??

Simple. They do not like them, and neither do they like Arabs. It's a mutual hatred. They are surrounded by barbarians (ask Hicks, he'll tell you how great his Jewish cousins are, yet his Muslim cousins are just ....... barbarians.) We ought just get out and let them sort it out. Or....

We could pre-empt what is ultimately inevitable. If Tasmania is not enough, I'm happy to add Norfolk Island. I'm sure Gud will happily do his Moses trick again.

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Reply #83 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:52pm:

So let me get this straight FD, you still think that...

"No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business."

...could possibly mean "yes 'we' are trying to set up democracy" - and you need K to clarify that?

Did you take English at High School?

I think that when someone says something that is both stupid and grammatically inconsistent, it makes sense to ask them to clarify.

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Reply #84 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:05pm

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Give back to Jews Israel and let the Muslim Arabs have the REST of the Eastern Roman Empire that THEY have conquered (but have a far lesser claim to than Jews do to Israel).

I'm sure that made sense to you. All I really care about is peace on this Planet, and while Israel exists surrounded by Arab 'barbarians,' I have little hope. I'm quite happy to see them blast the crap out of each other. All I want is that the West (especially Australia) get the ???? out of there.

We have failed every time we poked our dumb arse nose in...........for centuries.

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Reply #85 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:06pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:52pm:

So let me get this straight FD, you still think that...

"No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business."

...could possibly mean "yes 'we' are trying to set up democracy" - and you need K to clarify that?

Did you take English at High School?

I think that when someone says something that is both stupid and grammatically inconsistent, it makes sense to ask them to clarify.

Me too, FD. Do you mind if I ask you?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #86 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:18pm Karnal are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #87 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:24pm freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:18pm: Karnal are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq? Questions questions. Why won't you answer mine? Is there something you're trying to hide from us?
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Reply #88 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:41am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:52pm:

So let me get this straight FD, you still think that...

"No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business."

...could possibly mean "yes 'we' are trying to set up democracy" - and you need K to clarify that?

Did you take English at High School?

I think that when someone says something that is both stupid and grammatically inconsistent, it makes sense to ask them to clarify.

Seriously FD, actually think about this for once:

question:
Are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?

answer:
No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business.

Please, go on and give us a jolly laugh and keep claiming the answer is not clear.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US Reply #89 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 8:56am Gandalf are you deliberately misquoting the exchange? What about you, do you think we are trying to establish democracy in Iraq?
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