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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #90 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 10:39am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 8:56am:
Gandalf are you deliberately misquoting the exchange?

What about you, do you think we are trying to establish democracy in Iraq?


No, FD, he’s cut and pasted it.

Why don’t you want to answer?
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Reply #91 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:45am
 
He copied and pasted a question and an answer. Only problem is, the question was asked after the answer. The answer you gave was to a very different question.

Was this a deliberate lie Gandalf? I am struggling to believe it could have been an accident, given the number of times you selectively quoted the post before I rephrased the question, in an effort to 'explain' to me how clear it was.
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #92 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:03pm
 
Ah. That answers that then. Should we tell you what you think from now on, FD? We’ve all tried asking. We’ve all been most courteous.

For some uncanny reason, you refuse to answer questions. I won’t ask why.

We already know what you think,  FD.
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #93 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:25am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:45am:
He copied and pasted a question and an answer. Only problem is, the question was asked after the answer. The answer you gave was to a very different question.


yes I totally led you up the garden path there FD. Here you go, here's the actual exchange:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:46am:
freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:36am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:52am:
He also criticised them for trying to establish democracy.


No he didn't. He criticised them for not even trying.

Like I said, get a clue.


Karnal do you think we are not even trying to set up democracy in Iraq?


No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business. US policy in Iraq has stumbled from crisis to crisis. None ofits plans worked, and few were ever achieved. It has secured the oil supply (in non-ISIS controlled ares), okay. But for how long?

Now I’ve answered yours, will you answer mine?


Now for some primary school reading comprehension:

In response to the question:
Karnal do you think we are not even trying to set up democracy in Iraq?

What did Karnal mean when he answered:
No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business.

Did Karnal mean:
a) yes we are trying to establish democracy?
or
b) no we are not trying to establish democracy?

If you had to guess FD, what would you run with? Think carefully now...
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #94 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 9:04am
 
No, G, apparently there's a grammatical error in there too. It makes it really hard for FD to understand.

But given FD's standard for applying the truth here, if the above exchange can be seen as support for dictatorships, I think we can safely say FD supports Yadda's program of killing all Moslems and sending them to hell.

We know one thing: FD continues to evade the question of his own solution to the Musel-problem. FD has turned into his old nemesis.

Yes, FD has come full circle. He has become Abu.
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Reply #95 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:20pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:25am:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:45am:
He copied and pasted a question and an answer. Only problem is, the question was asked after the answer. The answer you gave was to a very different question.


yes I totally led you up the garden path there FD. Here you go, here's the actual exchange:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:46am:
freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:36am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:52am:
He also criticised them for trying to establish democracy.


No he didn't. He criticised them for not even trying.

Like I said, get a clue.


Karnal do you think we are not even trying to set up democracy in Iraq?


No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business. US policy in Iraq has stumbled from crisis to crisis. None ofits plans worked, and few were ever achieved. It has secured the oil supply (in non-ISIS controlled ares), okay. But for how long?

Now I’ve answered yours, will you answer mine?


Now for some primary school reading comprehension:

In response to the question:
Karnal do you think we are not even trying to set up democracy in Iraq?

What did Karnal mean when he answered:
No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business.

Did Karnal mean:
a) yes we are trying to establish democracy?
or
b) no we are not trying to establish democracy?

If you had to guess FD, what would you run with? Think carefully now...


I think this is the first time you have quoted it honestly. Do you see the difference between this and your previous attempt?

There is no need to guess what he thinks Gandalf. He is right here. Hence the question. Like I said I like to be clear before I attribute such a ludicrous opinion to someone.

By the way, what do you think? Are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #96 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:20pm:
Like I said I like to be clear before I attribute such a ludicrous opinion to someone.


Yes, FD did say this.
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #97 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 5:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:20pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:25am:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:45am:
He copied and pasted a question and an answer. Only problem is, the question was asked after the answer. The answer you gave was to a very different question.


yes I totally led you up the garden path there FD. Here you go, here's the actual exchange:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:46am:
freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:36am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:52am:
He also criticised them for trying to establish democracy.


No he didn't. He criticised them for not even trying.

Like I said, get a clue.


Karnal do you think we are not even trying to set up democracy in Iraq?


No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business. US policy in Iraq has stumbled from crisis to crisis. None ofits plans worked, and few were ever achieved. It has secured the oil supply (in non-ISIS controlled ares), okay. But for how long?

Now I’ve answered yours, will you answer mine?


Now for some primary school reading comprehension:

In response to the question:
Karnal do you think we are not even trying to set up democracy in Iraq?

What did Karnal mean when he answered:
No, FD, I think all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business.

Did Karnal mean:
a) yes we are trying to establish democracy?
or
b) no we are not trying to establish democracy?

If you had to guess FD, what would you run with? Think carefully now...


I think this is the first time you have quoted it honestly. Do you see the difference between this and your previous attempt?

There is no need to guess what he thinks Gandalf. He is right here. Hence the question. Like I said I like to be clear before I attribute such a ludicrous opinion to someone.

By the way, what do you think? Are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?


Have you yet comprehended the absurdity of believing that its possible Karnal meant "yes we are trying to set up democracy" when he said "all "we’ve" ever tried to do is establish security for "our" friends’ business."? Does setting up a democracy often involve that sort of arrangement do you think? Don't over-think that one.
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #98 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 6:38pm
 
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Have you yet comprehended the absurdity of believing that its possible Karnal meant "yes we are trying to set up democracy"


Yes Gandalf, it is absurd to think Karnal might be willing to acknowledge reality. Do you think it is absurd to extend to him the benefit of the doubt until he directly owns that position? Do I need to rephrase this for you some other way?

How about you? Do you think we are trying to establish democracy in Iraq?
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Re: moral equivalence of supporting ISIS vs US
Reply #99 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 6:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 6:38pm:
Do you think it is absurd to extend to him the benefit of the doubt until he directly owns that position? Do I need to rephrase this for you some other way?


Well call me Mr "jumping to conclusions" - but I reckon we just read what he actually said and utilise our primary school level English skills to understand it - what do you think?

freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 6:38pm:
How about you? Do you think we are trying to establish democracy in Iraq?


What do you reckon FD - from all I've said on the matter these past 3 and a bit years (and its been a lot), do you reckon you could take an educated guess? Do you reckon I've been much of a stary-eyed supporter of US imperialism and swallowed the whole "gifting them democracy" schtick?
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Reply #100 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 7:16pm
 
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Well call me Mr "jumping to conclusions" - but I reckon we just read what he actually said and utilise our primary school level English skills to understand it - what do you think?


Sure. I came to the conclusion that Karnal posted a rather stupid opinion while leaving it gramatically ambiguous and then refusing to own it. Would you itnerpret it differently?

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What do you reckon FD - from all I've said on the matter these past 3 and a bit years (and its been a lot), do you reckon you could take an educated guess? Do you reckon I've been much of a stary-eyed supporter of US imperialism and swallowed the whole "gifting them democracy" schtick?


I see you are learning from Karnal. There is no need for elaborate tapdancing. Yes or no will do fine thanks Gandalf.

Are trying to establish democracy in Iraq?
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Reply #101 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 7:49pm
 
this is hilarious FD - whats your game, seriously?

Have I ever held back in expressing my contempt for your tired "we try to establish democracy" meme before? Why on earth would you think I would want to tap-dance around it now? I genuinely can't understand this line of inquiry FD.

But I must admit I am wary of giving you an answer to your question. It will likely just confuse you more - like how you confuse an answer such as 'we are only interested in creating security for our friends', for 'yes we are trying to establish democracy'. And you'll probably just parade my answer around as being the exact opposite to what I said - You've been known to do that. Like when I said gays shouldn't be killed for being gay - that somehow became "gandalf wants to kill gays for flaunting their sexuality mardis gras style."
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Reply #102 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 7:58pm
 
Ah. So this is you not tapdancing?

Are we trying to establish democracy in Iraq?
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Reply #103 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 6:38pm:
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Have you yet comprehended the absurdity of believing that its possible Karnal meant "yes we are trying to set up democracy"


Yes Gandalf, it is absurd to think Karnal might be willing to acknowledge reality.


Ee-gad, not only did FD say that, he also said this.

We’ve definitely crossed the edge of reality here. I need some LSD. Quick.
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Reply #104 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:15pm
 
Sure FD - I totally love US imperialism and totally swallow your bs "we establish democracy wherever we go" meme. I've definitely never objected to any such sentiment before in my 3 and a bit years here  Cheesy

Do you feel stupid yet?
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