Australian Politics Forum - Why doesn't this country has an ID card?

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Re: Why doesn't this country has an ID card?
Reply #30 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:06am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise?

I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia.

I would vote YES to it now.

since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now?

Hah! Conservative voters are never principled. Always circumstances for u lot, look at how quickly you agreed to the Pm change this time around. Pathetic!

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Re: Why doesn't this country has an ID card?
Reply #31 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:42am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise?

I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia.

I would vote YES to it now.

since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now?

Hah! Conservative voters are never principled. Always circumstances for u lot, look at how quickly you agreed to the Pm change this time around. Pathetic!

what do you mean 'agree'? I was not asked nor my opinion sought. It was presented as a fait accompli. as a good liberal I now support my leader who I must admit has surprised me in being light-years ahead of the disaster he was in 2009. I would prefer Abbott and like the man far more, but I dont get to choose who is PM.

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Re: Why doesn't this country has an ID card?
Reply #32 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise?

I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia.

I would vote YES to it now.

since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now?

That's a fair comment but I think it's always a question of weighing up the pros & cons.
In 1985 not many people even knew about computers and fraud was more a question of dodgy cheques.
Nowadays anybody's identity is at risk and with it their money, access to essential services and privacy.
I think the pros now outweigh the cons.

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Re: Why doesn't this country has an ID card?
Reply #33 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:23pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise?

I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia.

I would vote YES to it now.

since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now?

That's a fair comment but I think it's always a question of weighing up the pros & cons.
In 1985 not many people even knew about computers and fraud was more a question of dodgy cheques.
Nowadays anybody's identity is at risk and with it their money, access to essential services and privacy.
I think the pros now outweigh the cons.

excellent response! I was hoping someone would spot that. I'm not sure I agree yet, but you made a very valid point.

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Re: Why doesn't this country has an ID card?
Reply #34 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise?

I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia.

I would vote YES to it now.

since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now?

That's a fair comment but I think it's always a question of weighing up the pros & cons.
In 1985 not many people even knew about computers and fraud was more a question of dodgy cheques.
Nowadays anybody's identity is at risk and with it their money, access to essential services and privacy.
I think the pros now outweigh the cons.

excellent response! I was hoping someone would spot that. I'm not sure I agree yet, but you made a very valid point.

This is thoughtful answer, I agree that you may not need this in 1980s, but if the condition changed a lot in past 30 years. Shouldn't the law be adapted to new circumstances?

Even passport has a chipset and standardized form today (I think there should be an international deal on this). If many countries can adapt to changes, it means the progress to get a multi-nation agreement and implemented is faster than to modify an internal law. Policy makers didn't do as much as they are paid, I guess.

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