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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Malcolm, why must we have refugees? Reply #90 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:24pm Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:06pm: Immigrants are needed to improve the Australian gene pool. Otherwise Australians become insipid no-hopers like Nazi Soren Current gene pool: Your idea of "improvement": https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b36cfc0c6fdf1fffa4362a7b57ce1015?convert_t...
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Re: Malcolm, why must we have refugees?
Reply #91 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:42pm

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:57pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

Once you get cornered you go full retard. Have you ever thought all that Foucauldian garbage you have read stunted your debating skills?

Cornered? Moi? How could I ever be cornered?

You’re not trying to rape me are you, Mistie?

Perhaps you could explain how ending immigration will prevent mass rape, violence and sexual assault and we can start from there.

Then, we can discuss your own emigration - to Turkey, wasn’t it?

You can’t rape me, dear. I consent.

Ending immigration by unassimilating Muslims who are responsible for a massive spike in European sexual assaults and rapes would be useful, practical and measurable first step.

Have a look - all the cases are documented and linked. Do take the opportunity to check the links to see for yourself. It is all documented. Not a single unsubstantiated hearsay claim. Samples:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

I say, old boy, you wouldn’t happen to be a dirty immigrant too, now would you?

Don’t rape me, please. I’m British. Mistie’s got first dibs on cornering me.

Mistie, you see, has signed up.to become a Turk.

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Reply #92 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:19pm

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:06pm:

Immigrants are needed to improve the Australian gene pool. Otherwise Australians become insipid no-hopers like Nazi Soren

Current gene pool:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4055/4575823435_c9dac66de9.jpg

Your idea of "improvement":
https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b36cfc0c6fdf1fffa4362a7b57ce1015?convert_t...

The "improvement" is less insipid than the "current gene pool" as I foresaw.

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Reply #93 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:28am

I said I'd had my say and wouldn't say any more in this thread but needs must

Europe's just fine, sure it is, Karnal's going there I think he said and it's lovely. Refugees - or invaders as I prefer to call them- are no problem.

Austria:
Going there are you Karnal? Pick up a gun when you arrive.

Austrian police records in Vienna and the Styria district bordering Slovenia show the number of applications for handgun permits has risen fourfold in the past months, while firearms dealers say the number of weapons sales has skyrocketed.

An average of 100 permits were issued in Vienna up until September 2015, according to police. The number doubled in October and reached 457 permits in November, according to police records.

“Especially in the last four months of 2015, we saw a massive increase in demand for weapons. Most people said they wanted a weapon because they didn’t feel safe,” a local police representative told the media. . . . .

“Most people said they wanted a weapon because they didn’t feel safe,” Herbert Fuik, police spokesman for the southeast Austria state of Styria, said.

“Because of the social change, people want to protect themselves,” an arms dealer told the Austrian broadcaster oe24.
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Germany:
A confidential interior ministry report, obtained by German daily Bild, says that home-grown lone wolves and Islamic State fighters returning from Syria are likely preparing elaborate attacks on civilian targets inside the country. . . . .

Security forces believe terrorists will use “multiple, time-staggered attacks on varied targets” to create a sense of overwhelming panic and lasting fear. The blueprint highlighted by the authors is the Paris attacks, which involved half a dozen different targets, most of them in close proximity, as the Islamist terrorists gunned down Parisians inside a nightclub and a café. The Charlie Hebdo attacks a year ago also involved similar coordinated tactics.

Just as then, terrorists will likely attack “soft or symbolic targets,” with the authors stating that “any public or sporting events, either indoors or outdoors are a security risk.”
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The head of a Bavarian district has sent a bus with 30 refugees aboard on a 550km trip to Angela Merkel’s Berlin office – fulfilling a threat made in October, when he said he would act if the number of refugees exceeded housing capacity in his area.
Peter Dreier, head of the Landshut district in Bavaria, reportedly had an angry phone conversation with Chancellor Angela Merkel to discuss the refugee issue back in October, Die Welt newspaper reports. “We can’t do it [taking in all the refugees]!” – he said, knowingly inverting Merkel’s famous “We can do it” slogan, which the chancellor made in the summer 2015 in reference to the high number of refugees Germany was taking.
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A German police officer told media that law enforcement cannot efficiently tackle crime among refugees without being accused of excessive violence or racism, while many dangerous incidents are played down or kept secret to maintain desirable statistics. . . . .

“At first, mostly families with children – who looked educated and spoke English – were coming here,” the officer told. “Meanwhile, 95 percent of refugees are now single men.” . . .

Referring to abuse and harassment against women, similar to those that took place in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, the officer said such cases are widespread in Bavaria as well.

“At the train station, women are sexually harassed and offended on regular basis. When we speak of an entry ban [to the area], they would shout on us: ‘You are not my police. You are a racist’.”
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Yep, all looking good. Let's bring in truckloads.

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Reply #94 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 11:08am

Bogie, my only question is where refugees should go when they can't live in their country of origin. To be honest, I'm not that interested in Austrian gun ownership or people being harassed at train stations.

The question for me is what we do with people who've had their homes and their livelihoods taken away. I think the best thing for Syrians is to return to Syria, but that's impossible while there's a massive civil war going on.

I'm not in favour of non-refugees heading off to Europe to move in and call Europeans racists. This isn't fair. As far as I can tell, Europe has done everything in its power to accommodate those escaping war. It has definitely been nicer to refugees than Australia.

My other argument here has been about the historical importance of immigration. Refugees and immigrants have become two separate categories, when throughout history this has never been the case. We never distinguished between refugees and economic migrants after WWII, for example, but those were different times. We needed the people.

Borders are a very new phenomenon. In the past, people were subject to monarchs as opposed to states. Serfs were owned by their lords, slaves were owned by their masters, and all were subject to the crown or emperor. Citizenship in ancient Rome had distinct advantages, including free bread, but the borders were porous. Up until the 20th century, people could travel anywhere. Until only very recently, it was quite common for entire classes of people, such as merchants, to live and travel freely. The passport - and the border - is a very new phenomenon.

Things changed with the Cold War and the introduction of the welfare state. I understand there are limits, and I believe these need to be spelt out. I also believe we need to distinguish between genuine refugees and economic migrants. Europe, it seems, is only starting to come to terms with this. With 50 million refugees in the world today, I don't think it's fair for them to suffer while ambitious people from poor countries join them in seeking asylum.

But those refugees need to go somewhere. We do not close the borders to war zones and watch civilians being killed as a result. You might be in favour of this, but to my knowledge, no country in the world would accept this. As an example, there are about 6 million Syrians accommodated temporarily in Lebanon and Turkey. As another example, there are over a million Afghan and Central Asian refugees accommodated in Pakistan.

Oh, and they're all Muslim countries.

If poor countries can take in huge numbers of people, temporarily or permanently, then we definitely can. It seems to me that if the choice is between people being harassed at train stations or people being killed by bullets and mortars, I'd be going with option 1.

Being European or white does not exclude us from protecting fellow humans. Having nice, rich countries does not mean we should exclude people who aren't nice and rich. I'd say the opposite is the case: we have an even greater responsibility to help. Having a different culture to those seeking refuge doesn't work either. Turkey is accommodating Arabs. Pakistan is accommodating a host of different tribes and ethnicities. All these people speak different languages and have different customs to their host countries.

Security is important, but it just goes to show the importance of screening. We haven't had a Paris attack (or Lebanon or Turkey or even Jakarta attack) in Australia. This is to do with screening, but also good policing. Bomb plots can be prevented - bomb ingredients are carefully monitored. Semi automatic weapons are restricted. Sure, a 15 year old kid with a pistol can hurt or kill someone. A crazed guy with a rifle can kill three people and even get the Sydney CBD shut down for a day.

Ultimately, of course, there is no way to prevent such crimes. People would still murder and hold people to ransom even if you did ban all refugees, immigrants or even tourists. Many of those who've left Australia to join ISIS were born here. Some were Muslim converts. Banning religion is impossible - banning extremism even more so.

I can see no sensible or humane reason to prevent civilians fleeing war zones, and I can see no reason to prevent them coming to the West. If you can provide one, I'm all ears, but the "we don't want them here" argument is pointless. That's not a reason at all.

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Reply #95 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

USA should be taking most of the refugees because it is USA policy and acts of war that has caused the problems.

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states should be taking millions of refugees instead of the zero they are currently taking.

Australia badly needs the genetic benefit it will get from refugees to forestall the creeping insipidness of closet pom genes.

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Reply #97 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:34pm

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Any beneficial arab genes were wiped out by the mongols 800 years ago. There aint no benefit coming from a race descended from a handful of cowards.

Right. So what should you do if you happen to be born into a race descended from a handful of cowards?

Kill your family? Kill yourself? Stop breeding?

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Reply #99 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Any beneficial arab genes were wiped out by the mongols 800 years ago. There aint no benefit coming from a race descended from a handful of cowards.

Right. So what should you do if you happen to be born into a race descended from a handful of cowards?

Kill your family? Kill yourself? Stop breeding?

Not my problem. I deal in facts, what you do with them is up to you.

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Reply #100 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:44pm

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Any beneficial arab genes were wiped out by the mongols 800 years ago. There aint no benefit coming from a race descended from a handful of cowards.

Right. So what should you do if you happen to be born into a race descended from a handful of cowards?

Kill your family? Kill yourself? Stop breeding?

Not my problem.

Others would disagree.

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Reply #101 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:44pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Any beneficial arab genes were wiped out by the mongols 800 years ago. There aint no benefit coming from a race descended from a handful of cowards.

Right. So what should you do if you happen to be born into a race descended from a handful of cowards?

Kill your family? Kill yourself? Stop breeding?

Not my problem.

Others would disagree.

Yes, well they should learn their history.

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Re: Malcolm, why must we have refugees?
Reply #102 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:54pm

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Any beneficial arab genes were wiped out by the mongols 800 years ago. There aint no benefit coming from a race descended from a handful of cowards.

Right. So what should you do if you happen to be born into a race descended from a handful of cowards?

Kill your family? Kill yourself? Stop breeding?

Not my problem. I deal in facts, what you do with them is up to you.

Those cowardly Arab genes are shared by the Jews, no?

Sinister.

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Reply #103 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:56pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Any beneficial arab genes were wiped out by the mongols 800 years ago. There aint no benefit coming from a race descended from a handful of cowards.

Right. So what should you do if you happen to be born into a race descended from a handful of cowards?

Kill your family? Kill yourself? Stop breeding?

Not my problem. I deal in facts, what you do with them is up to you.

Those cowardly Arab genes are shared by the Jews, no?

Sinister.

No. The diaspora insures against localised catastrophe reducing the gene pool to the depth of a puddle of piss.

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Reply #104 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Any beneficial arab genes were wiped out by the mongols 800 years ago. There aint no benefit coming from a race descended from a handful of cowards.

Right. So what should you do if you happen to be born into a race descended from a handful of cowards?

Kill your family? Kill yourself? Stop breeding?

Not my problem. I deal in facts, what you do with them is up to you.

Those cowardly Arab genes are shared by the Jews, no?

Sinister.

No. The diaspora insures against localised catastrophe reducing the gene pool to the depth of a puddle of piss.

Poms and closet poms have Arab genes. Its the only thing holding them together.

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