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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: The interesting views of a dedicated atheist Reply #15 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:09pm Boges dawkins is saying "if we have to have crazy people, let them be Christians". He isn't advocating the Christian faith, just that if crazy people are to exist in this world, let them at least no blow sh1t up. You agree?
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Reply #16 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:15pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Boges dawkins is saying "if we have to have crazy people, let them be Christians". He isn't advocating the Christian faith, just that if crazy people are to exist in this world, let them at least no blow sh1t up.

You agree?

it is more than that. It is a recognition that the followers of Jesus ie Christians dont do this kind of stuff. kinda implying that Jesus has quite an impact on His followers.

it is dawkin's first step towards discovering just how wrong he has been. a better book would be the Dawkins Delusion - a criticism of human intellectual arrogance.

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Reply #17 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:00pm:

atheist do in fact spend most of their time attacking Christianity.

Maybe look at atheists from non-western countries. Do you think atheism is an exclusively western ideology or something?

People critisise what they experience. I doubt many middle eastern atheists spend much time on the intricacies of nut-case Christian sects.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #18 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Boges dawkins is saying "if we have to have crazy people, let them be Christians". He isn't advocating the Christian faith, just that if crazy people are to exist in this world, let them at least no blow sh1t up.

You agree?

it is more than that. It is a recognition that the followers of Jesus ie Christians dont do this kind of stuff. kinda implying that Jesus has quite an impact on His followers.

it is dawkin's first step towards discovering just how wrong he has been. a better book would be the Dawkins Delusion - a criticism of human intellectual arrogance.

So Jesus teaches his nutjob to not blow sh1t up. What a relief, I wonder what would happen if Jesus wasn't around for the nutties.

How come I don't blow sh1t up and I don't believe in Jesus?

It's hardly vindication of the religion. It's absolutely crazy to belief in Santa Claus.

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Reply #19 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:42pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

I don't understand - is he advocating a vigorous christian proselytising campaign in muslim communities? I don't understand what he means by "best defense".

I would say he is just pointing out Christianity is the lesser of the evils when it comes to religion and perhaps atheists should focus their attention on Islam instead of Christianity.

A lot of leftists bash Christianity while giving Islam a free pass, it might be a wake up call for those dickheads ,how many Christian based countries have the death penalty for thought crimes like atheism, is it zip zero zilch.
13 make that 14 countries with the Islamic state have the death penalty for atheists.

The Allah of the Quran preaches the worst of living creatures are atheists-agnostics perhaps it's about time atheists started pointing out the truth with Islamic ideology.
quran.com/8/55

Being an atheist or agnostic is a crime in some countries....Who would have thought???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/10/atheists-death-penalty-_n_4417994.html

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Reply #20 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

Agree with what K?

I don't understand - is he advocating a vigorous christian proselytising campaign in muslim communities? I don't understand what he means by "best defense".

Is he saying that because non-Muslims already have a religion that this means it's less likely they'll be persuaded to adopt Islam as their religion?

"Thanks, but I've already got a religion".

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Reply #22 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:55am

Of course, in drawing comparisons, it would only be fair to compare the Christianity of say 800-400 years ago with the fanatical Islam of today.
That would be more of a reasonable comparison.
What the Christian missionaries, or some of them, did in Central/South America, Africa, even Polynesia doesn't bear thinking about.

However, we are dealing with the here and now.
And here and now the decline in Christian support in Europe particularly makes it open slather for Islam to proselytise among Westerners and turn them into fanatics. I guess that's a proselytising that's OK by Gandalf though.

So what I think the guy is talking about is that Christianity needs to be revived in the West as a bulwark against Islam, because none of the politicians seem interested in doing it.

ps. except Trump of course

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4051 Gender:	Re: The interesting views of a dedicated atheist Reply #23 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:20am I think a better Bulwark against fundamental Islam is through science and rational reasoning. However, do to the ongoing conflict, this is all but impossible in the sad region, but may be more valid in developed nations.
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Reply #24 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:50am

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

I think a better Bulwark against fundamental Islam is through science and rational reasoning. However, do to the ongoing conflict, this is all but impossible in the sad region, but may be more valid in developed nations.

Science and rational reasoning is not a unifying force, so how could it act as a bulwark?

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Reply #25 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 12:21pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

I think a better Bulwark against fundamental Islam is through science and rational reasoning.

If science and rational reason were a guard against this then we wouldn't have fundamentalists.

A secular society based on those principles, unbowed to any religious dogma though, might be the best response.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The interesting views of a dedicated atheist Reply #26 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 12:32pm bogarde73 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:55am: I guess that's a proselytising that's OK by Gandalf though. For the record - I am ok with any proselytising as long as its peaceful. I never said otherwise - so try not to strawman me again boges, cheers
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: The interesting views of a dedicated atheist Reply #27 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 12:38pm Really can't see where this is going but the world doesn't have worry about Christianity trying to blow it up.
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Reply #28 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:02pm

I doubt in 2010 Dawkins saw a Christian revival in the West, even if he thought it the better choice of religion. The reason Christianity is preferable to Islam is because it has had its teeth pulled out, by the parliaments, education and logic. That is not going to happen in Islam; they are simply not interested in progress. It is Mohammed and the Koran, or nothing.

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Reply #29 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Boges dawkins is saying "if we have to have crazy people, let them be Christians". He isn't advocating the Christian faith, just that if crazy people are to exist in this world, let them at least no blow sh1t up.

You agree?

it is more than that. It is a recognition that the followers of Jesus ie Christians dont do this kind of stuff. kinda implying that Jesus has quite an impact on His followers.

it is dawkin's first step towards discovering just how wrong he has been. a better book would be the Dawkins Delusion - a criticism of human intellectual arrogance.

Nonsense. Christians have done all sorts of screwed up stuff in the past, it's the current culture that does not want to blow things up nothing inherent about the religion.

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