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The interesting views of a dedicated atheist
Jan 13th, 2016 at 2:43pm
 
This bloke's got my attention as an atheist:

In a text that is coursing about on social media, professional God-slayer Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity may actually be our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.
“There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings,” Dawkins said. “I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death.”
In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.
“I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse,” he said.
Dawkins

Although the text originated in 2010, it has taken on a second life, being sent to and fro on Facebook and Twitter and providing fodder for discussions, even among atheists, of the benefits of Christianity for modern society.

Dawkins was trained as an evolutionary biologist, but achieved his greatest celebrity not through biology but through his pop atheism, regularly debating theists in public and penning diatribes against God and faith.
For a generation of young atheists, Dawkins gave disbelief a thin veneer of intellectual cachet and offered a justification for the belief that atheism was somehow grounded in science.

In his 2006 bestseller, The God Delusion, Dawkins famously compared religious education to the sexual abuse of children, concluding incredibly that the latter was actually preferable to the former.

Referring to the clerical sex abuse crisis, Dawkins wrote that as “horrible as sexual abuse no doubt was, the damage was arguably less than the long-term psychological damage inflicted by bringing the child up Catholic in the first place.”

Faced with the suicide bombers and child rapists of radical Islam, however, Dawkins finally found something that he thought was worse.
Follow Thomas D. Williams on Twitter @tdwilliamsrome

(Breitbart)
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Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 2:52pm
 
Good points. I agree.
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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:41pm
 
Agree with what K?

I don't understand - is he advocating a vigorous christian proselytising campaign in muslim communities? I don't understand what he means by "best defense".
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:41pm:
Agree with what K?

I don't understand - is he advocating a vigorous christian proselytising campaign in muslim communities? I don't understand what he means by "best defense".


He's back-pedaling on his usual anti-religious zealotry. He's conceding that ethically, Christianity has some worthwhile qualities.

But yes, I was wondering how a devout atheist like Dawkins would prop up Christianity in a sort of clash of civilizations with Islam, which is what he is suggesting.

Jesus gave some of the best knowledge to the world. It would be crazy to throw out ethics like do unto others or love thine enemy just because you don't agree with all the attached rules, rituals and cosmology.
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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:59pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:41pm:
Agree with what K?

I don't understand - is he advocating a vigorous christian proselytising campaign in muslim communities? I don't understand what he means by "best defense".


He's back-pedaling on his usual anti-religious zealotry. He's conceding that ethically, Christianity has some worthwhile qualities.

But yes, I was wondering how a devout atheist like Dawkins would prop up Christianity in a sort of clash of civilizations with Islam, which is what he is suggesting.

Jesus gave some of the best knowledge to the world. It would be crazy to throw out ethics like do unto others or love thine enemy just because you don't agree with all the attached rules, rituals and cosmology.



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Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 4:23pm
 
Yes i agree too, which is why although i am actually agnostic, i dont poo on christianity.
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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 4:33pm
 
Muslims believe Muhammad and Jesus are prophets

Compare the teachings and actions of Muhammad and Jesus. It's clear Christians are given a peaceful message

Jesus gained followers through a message of peace.

Muhammad gathered up 10,000 raving lunatics and converted most of the Arabian gulf by the sword
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Reply #7 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 4:45pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:41pm:
Agree with what K?

I don't understand - is he advocating a vigorous christian proselytising campaign in muslim communities? I don't understand what he means by "best defense".


he is reminding people that the insanity that is Islam is a great evil on the earth
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:16pm
 
Dawkins always seems to be a bit black and white from my point of view.

I'd be curious to see the original quotation of his in full, as they only gave a few sparse quotes.  polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:41pm:
I don't understand - is he advocating a vigorous christian proselytising campaign in muslim communities? I don't understand what he means by "best defense".


I think he means from a cultural perspective, I assume in a similar manner to populist U.S. views on Islam would be a pretty harsh deterrent for Muslims.  Weird thing for a prominent atheist to say though, as literally every atheist I've ever heard speak on the topic is critical of Islam.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:03pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:41pm:
I don't understand - is he advocating a vigorous christian proselytising campaign in muslim communities? I don't understand what he means by "best defense".


I would say he is just pointing out Christianity is the lesser of the evils when it comes to religion and perhaps atheists should focus their attention on Islam instead of Christianity.

A lot of leftists bash Christianity while giving Islam a free pass, it might be a wake up call for those dickheads ,how many Christian based countries have the death penalty for thought crimes like atheism, is it zip zero zilch.
13 make that 14 countries with the Islamic state have the death penalty for atheists.

The Allah of the Quran preaches the worst of living creatures are atheists-agnostics perhaps it's about time atheists started pointing out the truth with Islamic ideology.
quran.com/8/55


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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:11pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:03pm:
A lot of leftists bash Christianity while giving Islam a free pass ...



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Reply #11 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:11pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:03pm:
A lot of leftists bash Christianity while giving Islam a free pass ...



Link?



Peccahead is the worst offender for defending Islam by calling critics of that religion islamophobes.

Peccahead the Islamic apologist. Grin Smiley
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:35pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:11pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:03pm:
A lot of leftists bash Christianity while giving Islam a free pass ...



Link?



Peccahead is the worst offender for defending Islam by calling critics of that religion islamophobes.

Peccahead the Islamic apologist. Grin Smiley


he does love to demand links, especially to facts already well known.  I am waiting for him to tell us the difference between providing a LINK and providing a URL.  Then once he has made his position know, that perennial idiot mothra can join in.

so predictable3
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:49pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:03pm:
I would say he is just pointing out Christianity is the lesser of the evils when it comes to religion and perhaps atheists should focus their attention on Islam instead of Christianity.


Like I said, no atheist I've ever heard speak on the topic of Islam has given them anything less than a complete bashing.  People tend to focus on the issues close to where they live, and because most of the worlds best known atheists come from the U.S, largely they focus on the issues that effect them, like separation of church and state (or lackthereof) and the creation/evolution topics.

Very rarely are atheists silent on the topic of Islam though.  I don't know where you got that idea.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
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Reply #14 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 7:00pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:49pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:03pm:
I would say he is just pointing out Christianity is the lesser of the evils when it comes to religion and perhaps atheists should focus their attention on Islam instead of Christianity.


Like I said, no atheist I've ever heard speak on the topic of Islam has given them anything less than a complete bashing.  People tend to focus on the issues close to where they live, and because most of the worlds best known atheists come from the U.S, largely they focus on the issues that effect them, like separation of church and state (or lackthereof) and the creation/evolution topics.

Very rarely are atheists silent on the topic of Islam though.  I don't know where you got that idea.



atheist do in fact spend most of their time attacking christianity.  look at dawkins.... 30 years onl and it has only now occured to him that Islam is a horrible infection.   took him long enough...
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