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Reply #135 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm

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yes, my wife was sitting on the floor earlier.

And you think that was like what was in the photo?

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I showed you a photo that showed the opposite of what you were trying to claim

What is it the opposite of? Are you suggesting those women were not actually sitting on the floor because you found a different photo of Arab women?

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your obsession with their clothes is just your way of not having to deal with the real issue.

And what is the real issue?

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Like every other religion, I believe it has elements of all traits found in humans.

In equal measure?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #136 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

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What is it about that photo that you have a problem with?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

The women sitting on the floor.

Ah, maybe we're getting somewhere. Are you saying you have some kind of problem with the women sitting on the floor? Or is that being too misrepresentative of what you said? Would you call it "submissiveness"? - or are you still denying that you implied there was anything submissive about this photo?

Would you and your Muslim mates sit on chairs while your wives sit on the floor?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #138 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

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What is it about that photo that you have a problem with?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

The women sitting on the floor.

Ah, maybe we're getting somewhere. Are you saying you have some kind of problem with the women sitting on the floor? Or is that being too misrepresentative of what you said? Would you call it "submissiveness"? - or are you still denying that you implied there was anything submissive about this photo?

Would you and your Muslim mates sit on chairs while your wives sit on the floor?

Oh they're the wives now are they?

Fascinating, this story just gets better and better.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #139 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

And you think that was like what was in the photo?

she sits on the floor often, in many different scenarios . She's not a journalist so it's certainly not like in the photo ...

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

What is it the opposite of?

you want to pretend they are on the floor because muslims are all subjugated by the menfolk ...

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

Are you suggesting those women were not actually sitting on the floor because you found a different photo of Arab women?

no, I'm suggesting that muslim women aren't all subjugated by men and not all muslim men want to subjugate their women

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

And what is the real issue?

not sure, you won't tell us what your issue is ... only that for some reason it's bad

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

In equal measure?

no

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #140 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:26pm

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she sits on the floor often, in many different scenarios . She's not a journalist so it's certainly not like in the photo ...

Ah. I hope you don't mind me repeating the question John. Have another go.

Have you ever seen anything like that, outside of the middle east?

In case you are still confused, I am asking if you have ever seen anything like what is in the photo, not whether you have ever seen a woman sitting on the floor.

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you want to pretend they are on the floor because muslims are all subjugated by the menfolk

Ah. So wearing letterbox outfits is the opposite of sitting on the floor in this context?

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not sure, you won't tell us what your issue is ... only that for some reason it's bad

So you think I am avoiding the real issue, even though you don't even know what he real issue is?

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no

Wow. This almost sounds judgemental. Would you say that Islam is more sexist than Christianity?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #141 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:02pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

So you think I am avoiding the real issue, even though you don't even know what he real issue is?

This is where you explain to us what exactly is the issue here FD. Apparently, from what I can gather from your cryptic rhetorical questions, you think there is some issue related to women sitting on the floor and submissiveness. But you refuse to explain what it is - and instead insist that we explain it for you. While at the same time denying you ever implied anything about submissiveness here.

Care to have a go now?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #142 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

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What is it about that photo that you have a problem with?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

The women sitting on the floor.

Ah, maybe we're getting somewhere. Are you saying you have some kind of problem with the women sitting on the floor? Or is that being too misrepresentative of what you said? Would you call it "submissiveness"? - or are you still denying that you implied there was anything submissive about this photo?

Would you and your Muslim mates sit on chairs while your wives sit on the floor?

Oh they're the wives now are they?

Fascinating, this story just gets better and better.

You demonstrate with every post just how culturally alien you have become since you converted to Islam.

For a Western man it is is obvious and needs no endless arguments and hair splitting that you don't let your women sit on the floor while you, Lord Muck, are sitting on the chairs.

But since you are a Muslims, not even the most elementary shared cultural trait can go without challenge and disputation. Islam challenges every aspect of Western culture, whether religious or not. We share nothing as a matter of course. And that's a BIG deal.

And that's why it will all end in tears - we share no common ground on which co-existence can occur without constant challenges from one side or the other. You think it's OK for the women to sit on the floor, I think it's not and it's not OK to segregate them in auditoriums either. Or to expect them to cover up, or endorse their covering up like they are covered up in Muslim societies.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #143 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:18pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

Have you ever seen anything like that, outside of the middle east?

I haven't even seen it inside the middle East FD. All we have is one photo and a bunch of rabid Islamaphobes. You asked me if I've seen women sitting on the floor, I've told you I have .. apparently now that is not good enough. If you are asking if I've seen that exact scenario, no I haven't ... but I haven't seen a bear sh1t in the woods either.

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

Ah. So wearing letterbox outfits is the opposite of sitting on the floor in this context?

no, sitting on the chairs is the opposite of sitting on the floor ... why are you so determined to change the topic to their dress?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

So you think I am avoiding the real issue, even though you don't even know what he real issue is?

no, I think you are deliberately avoiding having to tell us what you think the real issue is, all the while letting innuendo and cryptic double speak. If I let my imagination run with it, I'd say you didn't want to be held accountable for what you say. It's far easier to just not say it. Cheesy

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

Wow. This almost sounds judgemental.

of whether traits apply to particular groups of people in equal measure? No, it's not judgmental, it's common sense

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

Would you say that Islam is more sexist than Christianity?

I don't know or care enough about Islam to make that call. I tend to judge the people, not the religion.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #144 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm

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This is where you explain to us what exactly is the issue here FD. Apparently, from what I can gather from your cryptic rhetorical questions, you think there is some issue related to women sitting on the floor and submissiveness. But you refuse to explain what it is - and instead insist that we explain it for you. While at the same time denying you ever implied anything about submissiveness here.

Care to have a go now?

There are many issues Gandalf. I have a problem with those women sitting on the floor trying to take notes. I have a problem with Wally the Muslim being so comfortable in his sexism that he projects it onto others without a second thought. I have a problem with John Smith using a photo of women in letterbox outfits, thinking it will prove his point. Let me know if I have left any out. On a broader level, the eager apologetics is also troubling.

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I haven't even seen it inside the middle East FD. All we have is one photo and a bunch of rabid Islamaphobes. You asked me if I've seen women sitting on the floor, I've told you I have

You are confused John. Here, have another go:

Have you ever seen anything like that, outside of the middle east?

In case you are still confused, I am asking if you have ever seen anything like what is in the photo, not whether you have ever seen a woman sitting on the floor.

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no, sitting on the chairs is the opposite of sitting on the floor ... why are you so determined to change the topic to their dress?

Because it highlights your eagerness to be an apologist that you would overlook the fact that they are in the letterbox outfits. A more savvy apologist would not have used that photo. He would have realised that progressively minded people might get hung up on the letterbox outfits and your vague reference to sexist Muslims.

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no, I think you are deliberately avoiding having to tell us what you think the real issue is, all the while letting innuendo and cryptic double speak. If I let my imagination run with it, I'd say you didn't want to be held accountable for what you say. It's far easier to just not say it.

This is true John. I do not want to be held accoutnable for the things I choose not to say. Maybe you are a little savvy after all.

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of whether traits apply to particular groups of people in equal measure? No, it's not judgmental, it's common sense

How about ideologies? Are you capable of judging those also?

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I don't know or care enough about Islam to make that call. I tend to judge the people, not the religion.

Are you only capable of judging people on an individual basis? If not, what defines "the people" in this context, other than their shared religion?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #145 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:22pm

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

We share nothing as a matter of course.

I was invited to a friends daughters birthday party once ... when I got there I was escorted outside 'with the men' and told to leave the women alone to prepare the food and cook in the kitchen. Once the food was ready the men were served and ate first, then the women.

Do you want to take a guess as to the hosts religion?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #146 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

So you think I am avoiding the real issue, even though you don't even know what he real issue is?

This is where you explain to us what exactly is the issue here FD. Apparently, from what I can gather from your cryptic rhetorical questions, you think there is some issue related to women sitting on the floor and submissiveness. But you refuse to explain what it is - and instead insist that we explain it for you.

It is about the institutionalised inferiority of women in Islam, it is about the religio-political removal of human dignity from half the population in the name of Mohammed.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #147 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:26pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

We share nothing as a matter of course.

I was invited to a friends daughters birthday party once ... when I got there I was escorted outside 'with the men' and told to leave the women alone to prepare the food and cook in the kitchen. Once the food was ready the men were served and ate first, then the women.

Do you want to take a guess as to the hosts religion?

Italians from the South of Rome??

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #148 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:30am:

lol you guys really are pathetic - if it was a picture of a group of men on chairs and another group of men on the floor with the women standing up the back it would be every bit as incriminating in your view.

Well, why don't you post such a picture??

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