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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #150 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

We share nothing as a matter of course.

I was invited to a friends daughters birthday party once ... when I got there I was escorted outside 'with the men' and told to leave the women alone to prepare the food and cook in the kitchen. Once the food was ready the men were served and ate first, then the women.

Do you want to take a guess as to the hosts religion?

Italians from the South of Rome??

Really? I thought for sure you'd run with Arabs Cheesy

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #151 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:53pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

I have a problem with those women sitting on the floor trying to take notes.

all women, or just Muslim women?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

I have a problem with John Smith using a photo of women in letterbox outfits, thinking it will prove his point

still pretending the dress is the issue? Grin

I can understand why you'd get upset at that. You'd rather everyone tell you how right you are

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

On a broader level, the eager apologetics is also troubling.

what apologetics? You now think everyone who isn't an Islamaphobe is an apologist?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Have you ever seen anything like that, outside of the middle east?

Answered several times ... I'm not going to change my answer regardless of how often you ask the same question

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Because it highlights your eagerness to be an apologist that you would overlook the fact that they are in the letterbox outfits.

they can wear what they like. I really don't give a crap ... just like I don't care that you wear shorts .

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

This is true John. I do not want to be held accoutnable for the things I choose not to say. Maybe you are a little savvy after all.

it seems you don't want to be held accountable for the things you do say neither.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #152 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm

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still pretending the dress is the issue? Grin Grin Grin I can understand why you'd get upset at that. You'd rather everyone tell you how right you are

Sorry John I thought you were asking me what the issue is. If you would like to go ahead and tell me what my opinion is, we could get through this much quicker.

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what apologetics? You now think everyone who isn't an Islamaphobe is an apologist?

No John. Only the apologists are apologists. Do you disagree?

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Answered several times ... I'm not going to change my answer regardless of how often you ask the same question

You were confused several times. Have another go:

Have you ever seen anything like that, outside of the middle east?

In case you are still confused, I am asking if you have ever seen anything like what is in the photo, not whether you have ever seen a woman sitting on the floor.

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they can wear what they like. I really don't give a crap

Are you saying these women have the freedom to dress how they please, or are you giving them your permission to? Or do you simply not care either way?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #153 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:12pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Sorry John I thought you were asking me what the issue is

yes, I was ... your issue with the first photo.

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

No John. Only the apologists are apologists. Do you disagree?

I wouldn't dare Roll Eyes

... so what eager apologetics were you referring to exactly?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

You were confused several times.

No I wasn't .. i think you are confused. It's like you've never seen women sitting on the floor before. And don't tell me it's different because they were journalists ... the only difference exists in your head because you want it to be mean something else.

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Are you saying these women have the freedom to dress how they please, or are you giving them your permission to?

can you show me where any of the women in the photo were made to wear a burqa? otherwise, you are creating scenarios in your head and applying them as fact.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #154 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:50pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

There are many issues Gandalf. I have a problem with those women sitting on the floor trying to take notes. I have a problem with Wally the Muslim being so comfortable in his sexism that he projects it onto others without a second thought. I have a problem with John Smith using a photo of women in letterbox outfits, thinking it will prove his point. Let me know if I have left any out. On a broader level, the eager apologetics is also troubling.

Eureka! Finally we have an answer. How long did that take - only about 5 pages I think. Why all the obfuscations FD? Why the denial that you ever implied there was a problem?

By the way, do you honestly believe its easier to take notes standing up than sitting down?

Have you given any more thought as to why there is a woman who is allowed to sit on a chair with all the men?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #155 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:00pm

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

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What is it about that photo that you have a problem with?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

The women sitting on the floor.

Ah, maybe we're getting somewhere. Are you saying you have some kind of problem with the women sitting on the floor? Or is that being too misrepresentative of what you said? Would you call it "submissiveness"? - or are you still denying that you implied there was anything submissive about this photo?

Would you and your Muslim mates sit on chairs while your wives sit on the floor?

Oh they're the wives now are they?

Fascinating, this story just gets better and better.

You demonstrate with every post just how culturally alien you have become since you converted to Islam.

For a Western man it is is obvious and needs no endless arguments and hair splitting that you don't let your women sit on the floor while you, Lord Muck, are sitting on the chairs.

blah blah blah

"Your women" Soren? Interesting use of what most would consider a pretty arcane and inappropriate term while railing against misogynism

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #157 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:39pm Its almost as comical as a southern redneck saying 'y'all dem arabs in Africa, they such a backward folk - they dun treat dem niiggers wid de respect they deserve'
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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #158 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

Its almost as comical as a southern redneck saying 'y'all dem arabs in Africa, they such a backward folk - they dun treat dem niiggers wid de respect they deserve'

The old boy has an amazing ability to reinvent himself. Old boy the feminist. Old boy the liberal. Old boy the democrat.

And yes, Uncle did exactly the same when he was pounding the war drums back in 2001. Remember? We went into Afghanistan to send girls to school. We went into Iraq to liberate them and bring them democracy.

Nothing, of course, could be further from the truth. While Laura Bush was doing her Afghani women thing, the US army was quietly being privatized by Rumsfeld. Afghanistan and Iraq were not about Uncle changing his ways to deliver democracy, they were about trialing a new way of running a military and an occupation, and dishing out the spoils. Everything was outsourced, from the canteens to the security to the computer systems.

The contracts were worth billions. None were tendered. And all went to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's friends.

This is the freedom FD and the old boy defend so righteously. Freedom for "their" women? This is just something for Fox News to run and have endless jolly chats about.

The old boys are about the contracts, as every schoolboy knows.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #159 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Uncle changing his ways to deliver democracy, they were about trialing a new way of running a military and an occupation, and dishing out the spoils. Everything was outsourced, from the canteens to the security to the computer systems.

The occupation decimated the public sector under the auspices of "de-Baathification". The cover story was that we were removing the Baathists from power - the reality of course was that it was compulsory for all public servants to be card-holding members of the Baath party under Saddam. The US brought in their own contractors to fill the void, but not only that, they also brought in their own workers. Just think, millions (literally) of recently laid-off public servants, willing to work, couldn't even get a job with the occupiers. The Bremer regime quickly got to work on the small local private sector too - his infamous 90 something edicts systematically placing severe limitations on local private companies and ultimately rendering them completely unviable. Under the occupation, Iraq became not much more than a gigantic mass of mostly unemployed (reports of over 60% during the height of the occupation).

And who do you think millions of desperate and out-of-work young men turn to during a brutal occupation?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #160 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13pm

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No I wasn't .. i think you are confused. It's like you've never seen women sitting on the floor before.

Not in a situation like that shown in the photo. Hence the question (the one I actually asked).

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And don't tell me it's different because they were journalists ... the only difference exists in your head because you want it to be mean something else.

So you cannot see a difference between that photo and when you saw your wife sitting on the floor? What exactly was the context when your wife was sitting on the floor?

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can you show me where any of the women in the photo were made to wear a burqa? otherwise, you are creating scenarios in your head and applying them as fact.

This is your story John. I am asking you what you meant, not "creating scenarios and applying them as fact". Seeing as you have such a short memory, this is what you said:

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they can wear what they like. I really don't give a crap

And the obvious question in response:

Are you saying these women have the freedom to dress how they please, or are you giving them your permission to? Or do you simply not care either way?

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By the way, do you honestly believe its easier to take notes standing up than sitting down?

Sitting on a chair would be easy enough. Not sitting on the floor. Try it.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #161 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:33pm

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Not in a situation like that shown in the photo. Hence the question (the one I actually asked).

how many photos of the press at a press conference have you seen? I don't recall seeing very many at all. Therefore I don't know if it unusual or not. It makes sense to me that it's easier to write sitting than it is standing.

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

So you cannot see a difference between that photo and when you saw your wife sitting on the floor

women+ floor ... wasn't that your whole point?

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

I am asking you what you meant, not "creating scenarios and applying them as fact".

... read your posts if you want to know what I meant

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Are you saying these women have the freedom to dress how they please, or are you giving them your permission to? Or do you simply not care either way?

Care? not much, regardless, I don't know enough about these women to make a call either way? why do you know something you're not sharing?

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Sitting on a chair would be easy enough. Not sitting on the floor. Try it.

actually I can take notes on the floor just as easily as on a chair ... standing up is another thing altogether.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #162 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:55pm

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how many photos of the press at a press conference have you seen? I don't recall seeing very many at all. Therefore I don't know if it unusual or not.

You could not take it upon yourself to apply a bit of common sense?

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women+ floor ... wasn't that your whole point?

You already acknowledged that it was nothing like what was in the photo. Are you now saying you have lost the ability to make the distinction?

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Care? not much, regardless, I don't know enough about these women to make a call either way? why do you know something you're not sharing?

So you don't care whether these women are free to dress how they please? I suppose that explains your efforts in this thread, and that absurd photo you posted in an effort to make a point about 'sexist muslims'.

If you don't care, why have you posted so prolifically in this thread? Do you care about people casting aspersions about Islam, but not about all the women who lack fundamental rights and freedoms because of Islam?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #163 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Uncle changing his ways to deliver democracy, they were about trialing a new way of running a military and an occupation, and dishing out the spoils. Everything was outsourced, from the canteens to the security to the computer systems.

The occupation decimated the public sector under the auspices of "de-Baathification". The cover story was that we were removing the Baathists from power - the reality of course was that it was compulsory for all public servants to be card-holding members of the Baath party under Saddam. The US brought in their own contractors to fill the void, but not only that, they also brought in their own workers. Just think, millions (literally) of recently laid-off public servants, willing to work, couldn't even get a job with the occupiers. The Bremer regime quickly got to work on the small local private sector too - his infamous 90 something edicts systematically placing severe limitations on local private companies and ultimately rendering them completely unviable. Under the occupation, Iraq became not much more than a gigantic mass of mostly unemployed (reports of over 60% during the height of the occupation).

And who do you think millions of desperate and out-of-work young men turn to during a brutal occupation?

Careful Gandalf... Willful exaggeration is a form of lie... Were there really millions of public servants put out of the service??

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