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Reply #165 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:24pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

The contracts were worth billions. None were tendered. And all went to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's friends.

The most deeply ironic (in a dark and sinister kind of way, given the region) is that Saddam - a secular leader - was overthrown by an American leader who claimed that god told him to do it.

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Reply #166 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

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What is it about that photo that you have a problem with?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

The women sitting on the floor.

Ah, maybe we're getting somewhere. Are you saying you have some kind of problem with the women sitting on the floor? Or is that being too misrepresentative of what you said? Would you call it "submissiveness"? - or are you still denying that you implied there was anything submissive about this photo?

Would you and your Muslim mates sit on chairs while your wives sit on the floor?

Oh they're the wives now are they?

Fascinating, this story just gets better and better.

You demonstrate with every post just how culturally alien you have become since you converted to Islam.

For a Western man it is is obvious and needs no endless arguments and hair splitting that you don't let your women sit on the floor while you, Lord Muck, are sitting on the chairs.

blah blah blah

"Your women" Soren? Interesting use of what most would consider a pretty arcane and inappropriate term while railing against misogynism

Sooooo.... is it ok for you to sit on chairs while your women - yes, your Muslim women, you know, the 'muslima' - sit on the floor?

Is that OK?

Or are you going to, once again reflexively, opt for the Muslim base-line of being incredibly dishonest, arse-covering and dissembling, starting to haggle over a word as if all life was the kashbah of carpet traders, spice merchants and slave traders??

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #167 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Uncle changing his ways to deliver democracy, they were about trialing a new way of running a military and an occupation, and dishing out the spoils. Everything was outsourced, from the canteens to the security to the computer systems.

The occupation decimated the public sector under the auspices of "de-Baathification". The cover story was that we were removing the Baathists from power - the reality of course was that it was compulsory for all public servants to be card-holding members of the Baath party under Saddam. The US brought in their own contractors to fill the void, but not only that, they also brought in their own workers. Just think, millions (literally) of recently laid-off public servants, willing to work, couldn't even get a job with the occupiers. The Bremer regime quickly got to work on the small local private sector too - his infamous 90 something edicts systematically placing severe limitations on local private companies and ultimately rendering them completely unviable. Under the occupation, Iraq became not much more than a gigantic mass of mostly unemployed (reports of over 60% during the height of the occupation).

And who do you think millions of desperate and out-of-work young men turn to during a brutal occupation?

Let’s see. Uncle? Freeeeedom? Al Qaida? ISIS?

That’s a hard one, G. Questions questions.

Maybe you could ask FD.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #168 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:45pm freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:22pm: The details don't matter, so long as the general feeling is true. Where’s our Wiki?
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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #169 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:21pm

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

You could not take it upon yourself to apply a bit of common sense?

so you haven't seen any other photos of press conferences? SO how do you know it is unusual for reporters to sit on the floor to take notes?

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

You already acknowledged that it was nothing like what was in the photo

I said she wasn't a journalist . Do you think journalists should be held to different standards?

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

So you don't care whether these women are free to dress how they please?

You're assuming they aren't

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

I suppose that explains your efforts in this thread, and that absurd photo you posted in an effort to make a point about 'sexist muslims'.

you're still upset that photo shattered your whole argument Grin

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

If you don't care, why have you posted so prolifically in this thread?

I care about the anti muslim bullsh1t you keep trying to spread.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #170 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:49pm

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You're assuming they aren't

I am just trying to confirm that you do not care whether they are free to dress as they please. Asking that question requires no assumption on my part.

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I care about the anti muslim bullsh1t you keep trying to spread.

So this matters to you, but not the millions of women from around the world who lack basic rights and freedoms because of Islam?

Can you quote some of this BS, or is this another case of me saying things without actually saying them?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #171 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:56pm [quote author=freediver link=1453237432/170#170 date] Asking that question requires no assumption on my part. [/quote] Sometimes a question is just a question, no?
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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #172 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:51am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Uncle changing his ways to deliver democracy, they were about trialing a new way of running a military and an occupation, and dishing out the spoils. Everything was outsourced, from the canteens to the security to the computer systems.

The occupation decimated the public sector under the auspices of "de-Baathification". The cover story was that we were removing the Baathists from power - the reality of course was that it was compulsory for all public servants to be card-holding members of the Baath party under Saddam. The US brought in their own contractors to fill the void, but not only that, they also brought in their own workers. Just think, millions (literally) of recently laid-off public servants, willing to work, couldn't even get a job with the occupiers. The Bremer regime quickly got to work on the small local private sector too - his infamous 90 something edicts systematically placing severe limitations on local private companies and ultimately rendering them completely unviable. Under the occupation, Iraq became not much more than a gigantic mass of mostly unemployed (reports of over 60% during the height of the occupation).

And who do you think millions of desperate and out-of-work young men turn to during a brutal occupation?

Careful Gandalf... Willful exaggeration is a form of lie... Were there really millions of public servants put out of the service??

Yes really there were North. Do a bit of research.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #173 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:54am

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Sitting on a chair would be easy enough. Not sitting on the floor. Try it.

You previously made some sarcastic remark about them not being able to stand - as if that is the preferred position.

Presumably if it was a picture of the women standing up the back it wouldn't be submissive right?

You still haven't explained why at least one woman was allowed to sit - on a chair.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #174 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:43am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:51am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Uncle changing his ways to deliver democracy, they were about trialing a new way of running a military and an occupation, and dishing out the spoils. Everything was outsourced, from the canteens to the security to the computer systems.

The occupation decimated the public sector under the auspices of "de-Baathification". The cover story was that we were removing the Baathists from power - the reality of course was that it was compulsory for all public servants to be card-holding members of the Baath party under Saddam. The US brought in their own contractors to fill the void, but not only that, they also brought in their own workers. Just think, millions (literally) of recently laid-off public servants, willing to work, couldn't even get a job with the occupiers. The Bremer regime quickly got to work on the small local private sector too - his infamous 90 something edicts systematically placing severe limitations on local private companies and ultimately rendering them completely unviable. Under the occupation, Iraq became not much more than a gigantic mass of mostly unemployed (reports of over 60% during the height of the occupation).

And who do you think millions of desperate and out-of-work young men turn to during a brutal occupation?

Careful Gandalf... Willful exaggeration is a form of lie... Were there really millions of public servants put out of the service??

Yes really there were North. Do a bit of research.

Yes, I did a bit of research and found that the figures vary wildly. Some reports have it that 'thousands' of public servants were removed from their jobs... Some report 'tens of thousands' while others (mainly from NGOs) reported over 100,000. So lets say it was 200,000. That would still leave your figure at least 10 times above that.

Of course, this does not exonerate what Bush (his cronies and his 'coalition of the willing') did to post-war Iraq - which in another time and place would have been considered 'crimes against humanity' (interesting that at least the British had the humility and sense of shame over the affair to hold their leaders to account), but it does question whether you are up to the higher standards you apply to yourself in these matters over others here .

Holding yourself to high standards is a double edged sword... While you may be extended more respect if you keep them, you'll be treated worse than you otherwise would if you fail them.

Like I said before, forums are bitch-fests, not an 'Olympus' of journalistic integrity.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #175 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:08am

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

I am just trying to confirm that you do not care whether they are free to dress as they please.

That's irrelevant to the topic of the photo. I have no reason to suspect anyone is being forced to do anything. If you have any information about the people in the photo that you aren't sharing, now's the time to share.

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

So this matters to you, but not the millions of women from around the world who lack basic rights and freedoms because of Islam?

all that from one photo?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #176 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:49am

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:08am:

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

So this matters to you, but not the millions of women from around the world who lack basic rights and freedoms because of Islam?

all that from one photo?

All from that one photo. FD's just asking, that's all. Remember, sometimes a question is just a question.

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Reply #177 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm

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Presumably if it was a picture of the women standing up the back it wouldn't be submissive right?

It would not look anywhere near as bad. I often see women standing up, even at formal events. Journalists in particular often seem to be standing.

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That's irrelevant to the topic of the photo.

I am making it relevant John (thanks for asking my opinion on what the real issue is here). Would you agree that it points to a strangely skewed set of priorities that you would declare that you do not care whether millions of women around the world have the right to dress as they please, but would get all hung up on whether we are misinterpreting, or not giving adequate benefit of the doubt to, a photo that clearly demonstrates inequality of the sexes?

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all that from one photo?

No John. I asked you whether you cared. You said you don't. That is how I know. Is it only the women in the photos whose rights and freedoms you do not care about?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #178 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

No John. I asked you whether you cared. You said you don't. That is how I know. Is it only the women in the photos whose rights and freedoms you do not care about?

Evidently not, FD. John clearly doesn't care about any Muslims. He definitely wants to ban them, kill them and nuke them.

Unlike you, eh? You care.

I'm sorry for assuming this and not asking, FD, but you haven't been doing much answering lately.

You've been caring about other things.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74667 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #179 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:00pm freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm: It would not look anywhere near as bad. that's rather subjective don't you think?
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