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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #180 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:05pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

It would not look anywhere near as bad.

that's rather subjective don't you think? Cheesy

You answer FD's question.

Would you agree that it points to a strangely skewed set of priorities that you would declare that you do not care whether millions of women around the world have the right to dress as they please, but would get all hung up on whether we are misinterpreting, or not giving adequate benefit of the doubt to, a photo that clearly demonstrates inequality of the sexes?

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Reply #181 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:07pm

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

I am making it relevant John

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

Would you agree that it points to a strangely skewed set of priorities

no

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

that you do not care whether millions of women around the world have the right to dress as they please

I don't care how anyone dresses. As for their rights, can you show me one iota of proof that those women in the photo are wearing the mailbox dress because they were made to rather than because they wanted to?

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

but would get all hung up on whether we are misinterpreting

there is no 'whether' .... you ARE misinterpreting and deliberately so

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

or not giving adequate benefit of the doubt to,

no ones asking you to give anyone any benefit of the doubt ... just don't create imaginary worst case scenarios because it suits your ideology. All you have is a photo ... the wheres and why anyone is in the positions they are in within the photo, or their mode of dress, is fanciful guesswork guided by your own prejudices.

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

a photo that clearly demonstrates inequality of the sexes?

clearly? if it was clear there wouldn't be any need for debate!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74667 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #182 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:08pm Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:58pm: Evidently not, FD. John clearly doesn't care about any Muslims. He definitely wants to ban them, kill them and nuke them. you forgot to include 'castrate them'
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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #183 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:35pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:58pm:

Evidently not, FD. John clearly doesn't care about any Muslims. He definitely wants to ban them, kill them and nuke them.

you forgot to include 'castrate them'

You're right. Thanks for that.

Better put this one in the Wiki, FD. He clearly wants to take away people's freedoms.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #184 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:46pm

John, what is this 'crap' you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you think is more important than women's rights?

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I don't care how anyone dresses.

Ah. I see you didn't understand the question. Again. This is understandable for someone who doesn't care. But you are welcome to have another go.

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As for their rights, can you show me one iota of proof that those women in the photo are wearing the mailbox dress because they were made to rather than because they wanted to?

Do you care whether they have the right to dress as they please? Why would you demand proof (in iota's, apparently) if you do not care for the outcome?

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there is no 'whether' .... you ARE misinterpreting and deliberately so

Can you explain how?

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no ones asking you to give anyone any benefit of the doubt ... just don't create imaginary worst case scenarios because it suits your ideology

Is being made to sit on the floor a worst case scenario for a Muslim woman?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #185 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Uncle changing his ways to deliver democracy, they were about trialing a new way of running a military and an occupation, and dishing out the spoils. Everything was outsourced, from the canteens to the security to the computer systems.

The occupation decimated the public sector under the auspices of "de-Baathification". The cover story was that we were removing the Baathists from power - the reality of course was that it was compulsory for all public servants to be card-holding members of the Baath party under Saddam. The US brought in their own contractors to fill the void, but not only that, they also brought in their own workers. Just think, millions (literally) of recently laid-off public servants, willing to work, couldn't even get a job with the occupiers. The Bremer regime quickly got to work on the small local private sector too - his infamous 90 something edicts systematically placing severe limitations on local private companies and ultimately rendering them completely unviable. Under the occupation, Iraq became not much more than a gigantic mass of mostly unemployed (reports of over 60% during the height of the occupation).

And who do you think millions of desperate and out-of-work young men turn to during a brutal occupation?

Er.... Frau Merkel and the German taxpayer???

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #186 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:56pm

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

John, what is this 'crap' you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you think is more important than women's rights?

read your comments

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Ah. I see you didn't understand the question

no, I understood
freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Why would you demand proof (in iota's, apparently) if you do not care for the outcome?

I care that you are knowingly & misleadingly claiming they are being forced to wear letterbox dresses.

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Can you explain how?

look at all the conclusions you've drawn from one photo ... no evidence to support those conclusion, but here you are sprouting them as fact. I'd call that misleading

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Is being made to sit on the floor a worst case scenario for a Muslim woman?

No, I don't have a problem with women sitting on the floor. You do.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #187 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:05pm

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read your comments

Don't be shy now John. What is this 'crap' you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you think is more important than women's rights?

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I care that you are knowingly & misleadingly claiming they are being forced to wear letterbox dresses.

Can you quote me?

Why is it that you care so much about what I claim to be the case, but you do not care whether it is actually true that they are denied the right to dress as the please? How can you care so much about me being wrong, while not actually caring whether I am right?

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look at all the conclusions you've drawn from one photo ... no evidence to support those conclusion, but here you are sprouting them as fact. I'd call that misleading

How am I deliberately misinterpreting it John? If I knew what you were on about, I would not have to ask.

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No, I don't have a problem with women sitting on the floor. You do.

Again, you misunderstand the question John. You suggested I created a 'worst case scenario' in my head. Is being forced to sit on the floor really the worst thing you can think of, or is it merely the only one?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #188 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:20pm

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Why is it that you care so much about what I claim to be the case, but you do not care whether it is actually true that they are denied the right to dress as the please?

because I am talking to you on this forum, they aren't here. Why is it you are so worried about women being subjugated by islam, but you have never once shown any concern about others?

The Vatican is the only country in the world to deny women the vote, and yet you never complained about the vatican. The vatican makes the nuns wear a penguin suit, but you have never shown any concerns for their rights to dress freely. Lets face it, you don't really have a problem with womens rights, or how they dress, except for when you can use it as ammunition against Islam.

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

How am I deliberately misinterpreting it John?

look at all the conclusions you've drawn from one photo ... no evidence to support those conclusion, but here you are sprouting them as fact. I'd call that misleading

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

You suggested I created a 'worst case scenario' in my head

no, i suggested that you create the worst case scenario possible from the photo. If you could get away with claiming they had decapitated the women prior to making them sit on the floor, I'm sure you would have tried .

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #189 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:23pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Why is it that you care so much about what I claim to be the case, but you do not care whether it is actually true that they are denied the right to dress as the please?

because I am talking to you on this forum, they aren't here. Why is it you are so worried about women being subjugated by islam, but you have never once shown any concern about others?

The Vatican is the only country in the world to deny women the vote, and yet you never complained about the vatican. The vatican makes the nuns wear a penguin suit, but you have never shown any concerns for their rights to dress freely. Lets face it, you don't really have a problem with womens rights, or how they dress, except for when you can use it as ammunition against Islam.

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

How am I deliberately misinterpreting it John?

look at all the conclusions you've drawn from one photo ... no evidence to support those conclusion, but here you are sprouting them as fact. I'd call that misleading

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

You suggested I created a 'worst case scenario' in my head

no, i suggested that you create the worst case scenario possible from the photo. If you could get away with claiming they had decapitated the women prior to making them sit on the floor, I'm sure you would have tried .

True, JS, but remember: Islam is not a race.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74667 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #190 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:25pm Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:23pm: True, JS, but remember: Islam is not a race. I never called him racist
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #191 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:53am John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:25pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:23pm: True, JS, but remember: Islam is not a race. I never called him racist Oh, no. That would be censorship.
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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5813 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #192 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:09pm freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:51pm: Thanks John. I often use photos of women with their faces covered to demonstrate gender equality. LOL
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Reply #193 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

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What is it about that photo that you have a problem with?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

The women sitting on the floor.

Ah, maybe we're getting somewhere. Are you saying you have some kind of problem with the women sitting on the floor? Or is that being too misrepresentative of what you said? Would you call it "submissiveness"? - or are you still denying that you implied there was anything submissive about this photo?

Would you and your Muslim mates sit on chairs while your wives sit on the floor?

Oh they're the wives now are they?

Fascinating, this story just gets better and better.

You demonstrate with every post just how culturally alien you have become since you converted to Islam.

For a Western man it is is obvious and needs no endless arguments and hair splitting that you don't let your women sit on the floor while you, Lord Muck, are sitting on the chairs.

blah blah blah

"Your women" Soren? Interesting use of what most would consider a pretty arcane and inappropriate term while railing against misogynism

Seeing what Muslims are up to in Germany, Sweden and the rest of Europe, these gals, sitting on the floor while the blokes are puffing themselves up on chairs, are the lucky women. They are allowed to sit on the floor without being felt up, finger raped or worse.

It must be the hair covering. These blokes are very docile, thanks for the hair covering. What is it with swarthies and and hair?

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Reply #194 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm

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because I am talking to you on this forum, they aren't here. Why is it you are so worried about women being subjugated by islam, but you have never once shown any concern about others?

First of all I think it is fairly natural to care about anyone being subjugated, and the sort of oppression faced by women in Muslim countries, and the middle east in particular, is pretty grinding. I have no idea what you mean by lack of concern about others. Is this something to do with the unidentifiable 'crap' you accuse me of spreading about Islam? Is it criticism of Islam in particular that you are sensitive to?

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The Vatican is the only country in the world to deny women the vote, and yet you never complained about the vatican.

That's bad. Happy now? Or are you going to accuse me pf spreading crap about Catholicisim? Or is it only criticism of Islam you are sensitive to?

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look at all the conclusions you've drawn from one photo ... no evidence to support those conclusion, but here you are sprouting them as fact. I'd call that misleading

So the fact that they are sitting on the floor doesn't count as evidence?

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no, i suggested that you create the worst case scenario possible from the photo. If you could get away with claiming they had decapitated the women prior to making them sit on the floor, I'm sure you would have tried .

They could be dead, weekend at Bernie's style. What i concluded is not 'worst case' but merely most obvious.

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