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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #210 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:52pm

Soren wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

Aussie?? What does that mean, "Aussie"?? What are you identifying with, mong, if you do not think that there are such things as Australian cultural standards?i

My definition includes 'a fair go for everyone.' Yours is, 'fair go for everyone..............except Muslims.' I do get it Soren. It is obvious you have no idea how hypocritical your various positions are on this issue. It's a non event for me. Others like you make it one, so.....I'll comment.

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Reply #211 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:10pm

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Therein lies the problem. We are sticking our nose into the cultures of another World....and that is grinding, freediver. It is none of our bloody business. I'm not here to impose my beliefs on Eskimo culture either. What gives us the right to tell the people of other Sovereign States how they must live?

It's called freedom of speech Aussie. You have it. You can say whatever you want. You can even say we should turn a blind eye while ISIS rape and pillage their way across the middle east because it is none of our business. If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference. I understand that you are not even aware of the rights and freedoms you have, but you still have them.

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I agree, but that doesn't mean that the women in the photo were there for any reason other than they wanted to be.

Did anyone claim otherwise?

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no, if you tried to tell me all abos were lazy, all blacks were thieves and all asians were nice people I'd probably take exception to that too.

What about criticising Catholicism and the Vatican? Why do you not get all defensive about that?

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no ... once you've started the same number of threads on the topic as you have against Islam, then I'll be happy

So you are not defensive about Islam because of any issue with right or wrong, but becuase of some issue with keeping count? Is that what you mean by me spreading crap about Islam that you cannot identify?

Must we start the same number of topics about everything we dislike, lest you accuse of of spreading crap by virtue of the fact that we lost count? Do you really think this is more important than the millions of women worldwide who lack basic rights and freedoms because of Islam?

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it is only evidence that they are sitting on the floor. Nothing else.

So this evidence actually supports my claim that they were sitting on the floor?

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thats a matter of opinion

Is it your opinion that being made to sit on the floor is worse that being dead and propped up for a photo shoot?

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So, you expect them to abide by our Laws or our 'cultural standards," (whatever they are?)

Not beating your wife. Not sexually assaulting women because they refuse to wear a tent. Is this an unreasonable imposition Aussie?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #212 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:18pm

Soren wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

why? When someone comes to your house does that give you the right to tell their family back at their home how to live?

No. But it gives me the right to tell my guest how to live and conduct themselves while in my house. The Islamist Muslims seems determined to resist the concept. [/quote]

you might have a point, except that we've been over there telling them how to live in some way shape or form for the last 100 years ... now you complain when they come here and repay the favour?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #213 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:20pm

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

Did anyone claim otherwise?

no ... you would never do that Cheesy

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

What about criticising Catholicism and the Vatican? Why do you not get all defensive about that?

I haven't seen anyone claim all Catholics are anything other then the fine upstanding citizens they are. If you've claimed all catholics are terrorists then I missed that and shame on you.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #214 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:23pm

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

So you are not defensive about Islam because of any issue with right or wrong, but becuase of some issue with keeping count?

no ... but not surprising you missed the point. .. i'm just trying to work out ifyou are doing so deliberately, or if you really miss the point

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

So this evidence actually supports my claim that they were sitting on the floor?

you're claim was that the women were being subjugated

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

Is it your opinion that being made to sit on the floor is worse that being dead and propped up for a photo shoot?

it's my opinion that no one would believe a weekend at Bernie's type situation with that photo

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Reply #215 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm

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no ... you would never do that

So what is your position John? How confused are you? Did I ever claim those women were not in the photo or the room voluntarily?

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I haven't seen anyone claim all Catholics are anything other then the fine upstanding citizens they are.

You think all Catholics are fine upstanding citizens?

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If you've claimed all catholics are terrorists then I missed that and shame on you.

I haven't made this claim about any group John. One more time:

What is this "crap" you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you are incapable of identifying?

Why is this mysterious "crap" more important to you than women's rights?

Do you think an ideology has more rights than people do?

Why is it more important to you to keep count of the number of threads about an issue than whether it is true or false?

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no ... but not surprising you missed the point. .. i'm just trying to work out ifyou are doing so deliberately, or if you really miss the point

Feel free to explain what your point is John.

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you're claim was that the women were being subjugated

Are you familiar with the quote function John?

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it's my opinion that no one would believe a weekend at Bernie's type situation with that photo

This has nothing to do with what is believable John. You claimed that I am inventing and projecting a "worst case scenario" onto the photo. I am just trying to get you to acknowledge how ludicrous it is the describe my posts as the worst possible case.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #216 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm

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It's called freedom of speech Aussie.

Sure, say what you like freediver. Just keep your bombs and 'boots on the ground' out of where you don't belong.

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You have it. You can say whatever you want.

Like hell I can. Not even here.

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You can even say we should turn a blind eye while ISIS rape and pillage their way across the middle east because it is none of our business.

Yep. We've stuck our nose in for centuries......and nothing has changed except the "State of Israel."

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

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I understand that you are not even aware of the rights and freedoms you have, but you still have them.

I have the rights and freedoms and protections the Law of this Sovereign State grants me. If I don't like them, I'll try to change them, and if that does not work, I'll leave just like all those Syrians are doing right now.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #217 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:52pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

Is this really how you would respond to Nazis gassing Jews again? It is their right to gas Jews?

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #218 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 12:26am

Soren wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

So, you expect them to abide by our Laws or our 'cultural standards," (whatever they are?)

You are the worse kind of unthinking prat possible, as far as this topic is concerned. You have simply no ****g idea of what you are talking about jand you regard your ability to mouth off as an acceptable basis for uttering moronic things.

Let me explain, for you are far too thick to perceive it without help.

You say: "our 'cultural standards," (whatever they are?)"

Yet your username is - er..... Aussie.

Aussie?? What does that mean, "Aussie"?? What are you identifying with, mong, if you do not think that there are such things as Australian cultural standards?

Not Danish, shurely?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #219 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:29am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:43am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:51am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Uncle changing his ways to deliver democracy, they were about trialing a new way of running a military and an occupation, and dishing out the spoils. Everything was outsourced, from the canteens to the security to the computer systems.

The occupation decimated the public sector under the auspices of "de-Baathification". The cover story was that we were removing the Baathists from power - the reality of course was that it was compulsory for all public servants to be card-holding members of the Baath party under Saddam. The US brought in their own contractors to fill the void, but not only that, they also brought in their own workers. Just think, millions (literally) of recently laid-off public servants, willing to work, couldn't even get a job with the occupiers. The Bremer regime quickly got to work on the small local private sector too - his infamous 90 something edicts systematically placing severe limitations on local private companies and ultimately rendering them completely unviable. Under the occupation, Iraq became not much more than a gigantic mass of mostly unemployed (reports of over 60% during the height of the occupation).

And who do you think millions of desperate and out-of-work young men turn to during a brutal occupation?

Careful Gandalf... Willful exaggeration is a form of lie... Were there really millions of public servants put out of the service??

Yes really there were North. Do a bit of research.

Yes, I did a bit of research and found that the figures vary wildly. Some reports have it that 'thousands' of public servants were removed from their jobs... Some report 'tens of thousands' while others (mainly from NGOs) reported over 100,000. So lets say it was 200,000. That would still leave your figure at least 10 times above that.

Firstly, you are talking only about actual public servants, as in bureaucrats - almost certainly not including the bulk of state employees from state owned companies and services. That was my bad for answering your question on public servants - but my previous reply made it clear I was talking about the entirety of workers employed by the state, which of course under Saddam constituted the vast majority of the total Iraqi workforce.

Secondly, the official figures are openly acknowledged by the government itself as a gross undererstimation. Thus...

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The Labor Ministry has registered 656,437 unemployed people across Iraq's 18 provinces -- including more than 110,000 in Baghdad alone -- but even ministry officials acknowledge that the actual number is probably several times as large.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/19/AR2005061900729....

Estimates of unemployed during the occupation went as high as 60% during an extended period of the occupation. Given the workforce pre-invasion was estimated around 7 million, and as already pointed out the vast majority of them were government employed, it is not a stretch at all to say that the number of unemployed reached into the millions during the occupation.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #220 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:49am

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

So what is your position John? How confused are you?

I've told you my position several times. There is no confusion.

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

Did I ever claim those women were not in the photo or the room voluntarily?

What on earth would ever give me that impression? Ohh, I know, perhaps it was questions like this ..

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:51am:

What on earth lead you to believe this was by their own choosing?

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

You think all Catholics are fine upstanding citizens?

not at all ... how did you deduce that from my comment?

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

I haven't made this claim about any group John.

of course not . Cheesy

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

Feel free to explain what your point is John.

Already done so ... if you missed it go back and read the last couple of posts

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

This has nothing to do with what is believable John.

it has everything to do with what is believable. freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

I am just trying to get you to acknowledge how ludicrous it is the describe my posts as the worst possible case.

ludicrous is trying to pretend those women were dead 'weekend at bernie style' ....

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

Did I ever claim those women were not in the photo or the room voluntarily?

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:00am:

They are forming a protective circle, otherwise known as 'taharrush gamea', around these women.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #221 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am

What is this "crap" you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you are incapable of identifying?

Why is this mysterious "crap" more important to you than women's rights?

Do you think an ideology has more rights than people do?

Why is it more important to you to keep count of the number of threads about an issue than whether it is true or false?

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #222 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

you might have a point, except that we've been over there telling them how to live in some way shape or form for the last 100 years ... now you complain when they come here and repay the favour?

What we have been telling them over there is not to kill and torture each other.

But it seems too much to ask, it is seen as interfering with their cultural and religious norms.

And so they want to come here and continue with their oppressive and backward cultural norms over here and you think they are right to do so because we must not expect them to be anything but backward and oppressive, whether over there or over here. You want to respect their cultural difference no matter what.

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Reply #223 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:58am

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

you might have a point, except that we've been over there telling them how to live in some way shape or form for the last 100 years ... now you complain when they come here and repay the favour?

What we have been telling them over there is not to kill and torture each other.

But it seems too much to ask, it is seen as interfering with their cultural and religious norms.

That’s right, old boy. You’ve already ruled the CIA training of the Shah’s SAVAK death squad out of order. Presumaby, you’d apply the same principles to Mubarak’s CIA-run torture cells, or the US military training of Saddam’s Republican Guards, or the current military training of the Saudi Army.

Always absolutely never ever, no?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #224 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 12:41pm

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

What is this "crap" you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you are incapable of identifying?

Really? you expect me to post copies of all your bullsh1t comments against Islam? I gave you one example, you pretended not to see it ... here, I'll repeat if for you

What on earth lead you to believe this was by their own choosing?

that is BULLSH!T

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

Why is this mysterious "crap" more important to you than women's rights?

Is it?

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

Do you think an ideology has more rights than people do?

no

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

Why is it more important to you to keep count of the number of threads about an issue than whether it is true or false?

1000 threads on womens rights and how it applies to islam, all the while ignoring womens rights in other areas, can only lead one to believe that you are using womens rights only as a tool to bash Islam

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