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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #225 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:08pm freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am: What is this "crap" you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you are incapable of identifying? Maybe we can start with Islam being the greatest threat to freedom and democracy in the modern world.
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Reply #226 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:18pm

GordyL wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 7:03am:

"Why should I feel any pain or trouble in cutting off the hand that was raised against the Holy Prophet?"

Those are the words of 15-year-old Qaiser (not his real name) who chopped off his right hand just a few days ago believing he had committed blasphemy.

He should have cut off his foot as well

quran.com/5/33

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #227 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

What is this "crap" you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you are incapable of identifying?

Maybe we can start with Islam being the greatest threat to freedom and democracy in the modern world.

And a threat to the freedoms of decent white people everywhere.

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Reply #228 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:55pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

What is this "crap" you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you are incapable of identifying?

Maybe we can start with Islam being the greatest threat to freedom and democracy in the modern world.

And a threat to the freedoms of decent white people everywhere.

Basically the same thing isn't it?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #229 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

What is this "crap" you accuse me of spreading about Islam that you are incapable of identifying?

Maybe we can start with Islam being the greatest threat to freedom and democracy in the modern world.

I guess he forgot to put a question mark at the end of that one Cheesy

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Reply #230 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:04pm

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

Is this really how you would respond to Nazis gassing Jews again? It is their right to gas Jews?

If that became legal in Germany, (do you reckon it ever could freediver?) I'd have no right to interfere without breaching its Sovereignty.

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Reply #231 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:20pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

Is this really how you would respond to Nazis gassing Jews again? It is their right to gas Jews?

If that became legal in Germany, (do you reckon it ever could freediver?) I'd have no right to interfere without breaching its Sovereignty.

And you would no doubt allow immigration by Nazi party members to Australia.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #232 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:21pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

Is this really how you would respond to Nazis gassing Jews again? It is their right to gas Jews?

If that became legal in Germany, (do you reckon it ever could freediver?) I'd have no right to interfere without breaching its Sovereignty.

I think you'll find that was the response of the White House to the Jewish lobby during WWII. Allied forces gave a similar response when asked to advance towards Aushcwitz. The Russians liberated it.

And yes, we all condemned this stance.

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Reply #233 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:23pm

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

Is this really how you would respond to Nazis gassing Jews again? It is their right to gas Jews?

If that became legal in Germany, (do you reckon it ever could freediver?) I'd have no right to interfere without breaching its Sovereignty.

And you would no doubt allow immigration by Nazi party members to Australia.

But of course. We imported Herbie. And yes, dear boy, we also imported you.

We're all friends here, no?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #234 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:27pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

you might have a point, except that we've been over there telling them how to live in some way shape or form for the last 100 years ... now you complain when they come here and repay the favour?

What we have been telling them over there is not to kill and torture each other.

But it seems too much to ask, it is seen as interfering with their cultural and religious norms.

That’s right, old boy. You’ve already ruled the CIA training of the Shah’s SAVAK death squad out of order. Presumaby, you’d apply the same principles to Mubarak’s CIA-run torture cells, or the US military training of Saddam’s Republican Guards, or the current military training of the Saudi Army.

Always absolutely never ever, no?

Funny how the CIA is always to blame for the horrors that Muslims inflict on each other as well as on the infidels. Because Muslims have zero ability to self-direct. They are children, puppets without any ability for self directed action - even when they become presidents, ministers, generals, whatever. When Muslims do evil, it's the CIA's fault.

But when Muslims do good - that's never thanks to the CIA or Uncle or the Little Satan. THAT'S thanks to the Koran, Mohamed, Islam and their innate goodness, great sensitivity and admirable agency for good. i

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Reply #235 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:43pm

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

you might have a point, except that we've been over there telling them how to live in some way shape or form for the last 100 years ... now you complain when they come here and repay the favour?

What we have been telling them over there is not to kill and torture each other.

But it seems too much to ask, it is seen as interfering with their cultural and religious norms.

That’s right, old boy. You’ve already ruled the CIA training of the Shah’s SAVAK death squad out of order. Presumaby, you’d apply the same principles to Mubarak’s CIA-run torture cells, or the US military training of Saddam’s Republican Guards, or the current military training of the Saudi Army.

Always absolutely never ever, no?

Funny how the CIA is always to blame for the horrors that Muslims inflict on each other as well as on the infidels.

You think it's funny that the US is to blame for training all these regimes?

They don't do it for nothing either. They make a packet out of the Saudis. Just think, the way the US has tamed the Saudis is to bring them into the fold and put them in debt to Uncle's friends. Developers, engineering companies and "security". The contracts are worth billions.

Yes, all those Allah-Uakbaring, beheading, amputating, anti-democratic Wahabists - the financial backers of all the big terrorist organizations and militant Madrassahs: Uncle's best friends in the Middle East.

Are we allowed to talk about that, old boy?

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Reply #236 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm

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Really? you expect me to post copies of all your bullsh1t comments against Islam? I gave you one example, you pretended not to see it ... here, I'll repeat if for you

What on earth lead you to believe this was by their own choosing?

that is BULLSH!T

This is the crap you accuse me of spreading about Islam? A question about whether women in a photo chose to sit on the floor?

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Is it?

You said you do not care about whether millions of women around the world are denied basic rights and freedoms because of Islam. What you do seem to care about is me spreading crap about Islam, in the form of a question about whether women sitting on the floor chose to sit on the floor. Don't you think that is a strang eset of priorities?

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1000 threads on womens rights and how it applies to islam

Have you been keeping count John? Or just spreading crap about people spreading crap about Islam?

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all the while ignoring womens rights in other areas, can only lead one to believe that you are using womens rights only as a tool to bash Islam

What areas should we focus on John? So far you appear to be suggesting we must spend an equal number of threads on the millions of women around the world who suffer at the hands of Islam as we spend on voting rights in the Vatican. That's just a little stupid, don't you think?

Most of those here who actually care about women's rights (pretty much everyone except you) would see it as a good thing that the rights of these women are getting some airtime instead of being swept under the carpet in the name of political correctness. You on the other hand only seem to care about counting threads. If you don't care about women's rights, why do you care about the relative number of threads about the rights of different groups of women? What is it that you actually care about that leads to make such idiotic demands about thread count?

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #237 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:00pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:43pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

you might have a point, except that we've been over there telling them how to live in some way shape or form for the last 100 years ... now you complain when they come here and repay the favour?

What we have been telling them over there is not to kill and torture each other.

But it seems too much to ask, it is seen as interfering with their cultural and religious norms.

That’s right, old boy. You’ve already ruled the CIA training of the Shah’s SAVAK death squad out of order. Presumaby, you’d apply the same principles to Mubarak’s CIA-run torture cells, or the US military training of Saddam’s Republican Guards, or the current military training of the Saudi Army.

Always absolutely never ever, no?

Funny how the CIA is always to blame for the horrors that Muslims inflict on each other as well as on the infidels.

You think it's funny that the US is to blame for training all these regimes?

No, PB. What is funny is that Muslims blame the CIA and the infidels when they, the Muslims, behave badly but they credit Islam when they are playing nicely.

That's what's funny. And that they - and their boosters like you - think that nobody notices the massive contradiction in their self-pitying, self-excusing dishonesty.

They will do anything as long as they do not have to take responsibility for their actions. The moment they took responsibility they would thereby endorse Trump's call to stop all Muslim immigration to the West until we can all figure out what the bloody hell is going on with Muslims.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #238 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:23pm

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

This is the crap you accuse me of spreading about Islam? A question about whether women in a photo chose to sit on the floor?

that was but one example

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

You said you do not care about whether millions of women around the world are denied basic rights and freedoms because of Islam.

that's right, I don't. I'd rather deal with the here and now.

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

Have you been keeping count John? Or just spreading crap about people spreading crap about Islam?

sorry ... was it 999?

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

What areas should we focus on John?

it doesn't matter what other areas, you are happy to ignore all of them.

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

That's just a little stupid, don't you think?

I agree, but it wasn't my suggestion

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

Most of those here who actually care about women's rights (pretty much everyone except you)

really? you think Soren or double are interested in womens right? I doubt it.
freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

If you don't care about women's rights, why do you care about the relative number of threads about the rights of different groups of women?

already explained that.

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

What is it that you actually care about that leads to make such idiotic demands about thread count?

already explained that too. You're not very good at this are you?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #239 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:43pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

you might have a point, except that we've been over there telling them how to live in some way shape or form for the last 100 years ... now you complain when they come here and repay the favour?

What we have been telling them over there is not to kill and torture each other.

But it seems too much to ask, it is seen as interfering with their cultural and religious norms.

That’s right, old boy. You’ve already ruled the CIA training of the Shah’s SAVAK death squad out of order. Presumaby, you’d apply the same principles to Mubarak’s CIA-run torture cells, or the US military training of Saddam’s Republican Guards, or the current military training of the Saudi Army.

Always absolutely never ever, no?

Funny how the CIA is always to blame for the horrors that Muslims inflict on each other as well as on the infidels.

You think it's funny that the US is to blame for training all these regimes?

No, PB. What is funny is that Muslims blame the CIA and the infidels when they, the Muslims, behave badly but they credit Islam when they are playing nicely.

That's what's funny. And that they - and their boosters like you - think that nobody notices the massive contradiction in their self-pitying, self-excusing dishonesty.

They will do anything as long as they do not have to take responsibility for their actions. The moment they took responsibility they would thereby endorse Trump's call to stop all Muslim immigration to the West until we can all figure out what the bloody hell is going on with Muslims.

You've just unloaded a load of bile, old boy. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Feel free to address Uncle's active support for "Muslims behaving badly". As we've seen, those "Muslims" are either trained friends of Uncle, or those fighting against them. You don't deny this. You can't.

Who takes responsibility for Uncle's actions, dear boy?

On that point, I'm most curious.

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