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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #15 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 5:23pm

ian wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

ian wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

a culture which many are willing to import and welcome here in mass without question.

The idea of importing a culture like the Saudi Arabia to Australia is unthinkable, dear. Try to imagine it and let me know what you come up with.

The boy was Pakistani. Try to keep up.

We have no problem with Pakistani culture, dear. Apparently the donkeys are to die for.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #16 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 9:46pm wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am: The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act. What would Muhammed do?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74667 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #17 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 10:28pm freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 9:46pm: wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am: The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act. What would Muhammed do? cut of his other hand too ... your point?
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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #18 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 10:44pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 10:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 9:46pm:

wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act.

What would Muhammed do?

cut of his other hand too ... your point?

behead him ?

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Reply #19 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 10:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 10:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 9:46pm:

wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act.

What would Muhammed do?

cut of his other hand too ... your point?

behead him ?

Behead them.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #20 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:00am

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:04am:

wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act.

Pakistan has not always been like this. This thinking is new. It's the result of the rich Saudi Wahabists funding madrasahs and religious outreach programs. Muslims on the subcontinent were traditionally flexible, not rigid in their thinking.

Was Pakistan was not always like this? From what I've read, the seeds, at least, of what it is now were sown directly after Partition.

From Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to Zia-ul-Haq, the country has descended from the high ideals of Jinnah (as an example of tolerance and equality for all Pakistanis) through agonising over 'what constitutes a Muslim' invariably driving the nation towards a hopelessly confused national psyche that has made it an easy victim of ultra hardline religious fundamentalism.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #21 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:04am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:00am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:04am:

wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act.

Pakistan has not always been like this. This thinking is new. It's the result of the rich Saudi Wahabists funding madrasahs and religious outreach programs. Muslims on the subcontinent were traditionally flexible, not rigid in their thinking.

Was Pakistan was not always like this? From what I've read, the seeds, at least, of what it is now were sown directly after Partition.

From Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to Zia-ul-Haq, the country has descended from the high ideals of Jinnah (as an example of tolerance and equality for all Pakistanis) through agonising over 'what constitutes a Muslim' invariably driving the nation towards a hopelessly confused national psyche that has made it an easy victim of ultra hardline religious fundamentalism.

An excellent post, and one that sums up things far more succinctly than I ever could.

But this is not just about leadership, it’s also about development and the social change this brings with it. Imagine a Pakistani version of Pauline Hanson. She could be quite scary, I fear.

It’s also about geopolitics. Pakistan is emerging as an important player in the region. It provides the ports and shipping for Central Asia. As Pakistan’s economy grows, it will continue to look beyond its borders, and so it should. The tribes and ethnic groups that surround Pakistan are influential players in both organised crime and local Pakistani politics.

Pakistan houses millions of displaced people from the region. It has to think beyond its borders. Controlling the region’s weapons smuggling supply line is a handy tool. But Pakistan also has to control the gangs who run the Karachi ports, and then, the lawless mountain areas around Quetta.

What to do? I imagine praying to Allah is the solution of most Pakistani politicians.

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Reply #22 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:10am

Pakistan was founded on secular/nationalist values, and it is still strong in certain areas - particularly middle-class urban. Islamism only took root in the 80s under Zia Ul-Haq. Islamism and the taliban have also become entrenched amongst the Pashtuns - a distinct cultural group who were cut in two by the creation of the Afghan-Pakistani border.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #23 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:45am Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:04am: What to do? I imagine praying to Allah is the solution of most Pakistani politicians. I've read that some Pakistani intellectuals believe nothing short of a revolution will save Pakistan from itself.
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Reply #24 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:50am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:04am:

What to do? I imagine praying to Allah is the solution of most Pakistani politicians.

I've read that some Pakistani intellectuals believe nothing short of a revolution will save Pakistan from itself.

But that would not save us from nuclear-armed Pakistan.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #25 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:55am

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:04am:

What to do? I imagine praying to Allah is the solution of most Pakistani politicians.

I've read that some Pakistani intellectuals believe nothing short of a revolution will save Pakistan from itself.

But that would not save us from nuclear-armed Pakistan.

No.

But then this is a country that can give birth to the likes of Malala Yousafzai... One reason for tentative optimisim, at least.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #26 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:10am:

Pakistan was founded on secular/nationalist values, and it is still strong in certain areas - particularly middle-class urban. Islamism only took root in the 80s under Zia Ul-Haq. Islamism and the taliban have also become entrenched amongst the Pashtuns - a distinct cultural group who were cut in two by the creation of the Afghan-Pakistani border.

That' right.

That it is called the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and that Jinnah was the president of the Muslim League are irrefutable indicators that Pakistan has been secular from the beginning. Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin' as regards Pakistan.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #27 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:42pm Yes, but it is a secular Islamic republic, right Gandalf?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #28 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 3:52pm freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:42pm: Yes, but it is a secular Islamic republic, right Gandalf? Of course. The Islamic Republic of Iran is also secular. Everyone knows that. Iranian female journalists at a press conference https://twitter.com/danielrhamilton/status/684047804503834625
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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #29 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 5:24pm

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 3:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:42pm:

Yes, but it is a secular Islamic republic, right Gandalf?

Of course. The Islamic Republic of Iran is also secular. Everyone knows that.

Iranian female journalists at a press conference
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX45zzpWMAE9rqV.jpg

https://twitter.com/danielrhamilton/status/684047804503834625

chairs look full, where else you want them to sit?

looks like a women is sitting on the chair towards the left of the photo.

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