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The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Jan 20^th, 2016 at 7:03am

I agree Islam SHOULD be called the piece.

A piece of you here, a piece of you there Wink

After a Pakistani boy cut off his own hand following a public accusation of blasphemy, BBC Urdu's Iram Abbasi travelled to his village in Punjab province to find out what happened. She is the first international broadcaster to speak to him. Some readers may find the details that follow disturbing.

"Why should I feel any pain or trouble in cutting off the hand that was raised against the Holy Prophet?"

Those are the words of 15-year-old Qaiser (not his real name) who chopped off his right hand just a few days ago believing he had committed blasphemy.

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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #1 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act.
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Reply #2 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:04am

wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act.

The problem is the literal interpretation of Bible verses like, "if thy right hand offendeth, cut it off". The problem is the jaded culture that promotes such fundamentalism. The witch hunts. The honour killings. The official sanctioning of blasphemy laws.

In a culture like this, it would make perfect sense to cut off your hand because of a misheard question. The kid's being held up as a hero. No one's even blaming the imam for getting his facts wrong and accusing someone of blasphemy - a crime in Pakistan that probably rivals child sexual abuse here.

Pakistan has not always been like this. This thinking is new. It's the result of the rich Saudi Wahabists funding madrasahs and religious outreach programs. Muslims on the subcontinent were traditionally flexible, not rigid in their thinking. You only need to read the Persian and Mogul poets to get this.

Once this thinking takes over, I doubt it can be neutralized all that easily - particularly in a crowded, developing country like Pakistan where quick judgments and black and white thinking are the norm. The message of the complexity of creation and the importance of all forms of love, temperance, humility and tolerance is not an easy sell, even if they are the message of those poets, who's work was essentially secular (and studied by Hindus today).

That kid didn't cut off his hand to make things right with God, he cut off his hand to prevent his death at the hands of the mob.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #3 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:07am a culture which many are willing to import and welcome here in mass without question.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #4 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:11am ian wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:07am: a culture which many are willing to import and welcome here in mass without question. The idea of importing a culture like the Saudi Arabia to Australia is unthinkable, dear. Try to imagine it and let me know what you come up with.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74667 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #5 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:49am you islamophobes should be happy .... 5 less Islamic trigger fingers
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #6 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 12:24pm John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:49am: you islamophobes should be happy .... 5 less Islamic trigger fingers Brilliant observation, congrats.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74667 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #7 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 12:27pm issuevoter wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:49am: you islamophobes should be happy .... 5 less Islamic trigger fingers Brilliant observation, congrats. It's easy to please a rightard
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40755 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #8 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:04pm Don't know why he cut his hand off. He did not steal anything with his hand. Blasphemy comes from a thought, from his brain.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74667 Gender:	Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand Reply #9 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:06pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:04pm: Don't know why he cut his hand off. He did not steal anything with his hand. Blasphemy comes from a thought, from his brain. what brain? the nice person cut his own hand off! you're not related to him are you?
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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #10 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:07pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Don't know why he cut his hand off.
He did not steal anything with his hand.

Blasphemy comes from a thought, from his brain.

what brain? the nice person cut his own hand off!

you're not related to him are you?

well, his amputation was misdirected.

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Reply #11 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:21pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:04am:

wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

The kid made his own decision and he shouldnt of cut off his hand, dont think prophet Mohamed would approve of this act.

The problem is the literal interpretation of Bible verses like, "if thy right hand offendeth, cut it off". The problem is the jaded culture that promotes such fundamentalism. The witch hunts. The honour killings. The official sanctioning of blasphemy laws.

In a culture like this, it would make perfect sense to cut off your hand because of a misheard question. The kid's being held up as a hero. No one's even blaming the imam for getting his facts wrong and accusing someone of blasphemy - a crime in Pakistan that probably rivals child sexual abuse here.

Pakistan has not always been like this. This thinking is new. It's the result of the rich Saudi Wahabists funding madrasahs and religious outreach programs. Muslims on the subcontinent were traditionally flexible, not rigid in their thinking. You only need to read the Persian and Mogul poets to get this.

Once this thinking takes over, I doubt it can be neutralized all that easily - particularly in a crowded, developing country like Pakistan where quick judgments and black and white thinking are the norm. The message of the complexity of creation and the importance of all forms of love, temperance, humility and tolerance is not an easy sell, even if they are the message of those poets, who's work was essentially secular (and studied by Hindus today).

That kid didn't cut off his hand to make things right with God, he cut off his hand to prevent his death at the hands of the mob.

so its saudis fault the kid went and chopped off his own hand?

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #12 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:21pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

ian wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

a culture which many are willing to import and welcome here in mass without question.

The idea of importing a culture like the Saudi Arabia to Australia is unthinkable, dear. Try to imagine it and let me know what you come up with.

The boy was Pakistani. Try to keep up.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #13 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:51pm

ian wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

ian wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

a culture which many are willing to import and welcome here in mass without question.

The idea of importing a culture like the Saudi Arabia to Australia is unthinkable, dear. Try to imagine it and let me know what you come up with.

The boy was Pakistani. Try to keep up.

Karnal claimed to be Pakistani,Pakistan topped the google searches for donkey sex.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand
Reply #14 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 5:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

ian wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

ian wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

a culture which many are willing to import and welcome here in mass without question.

The idea of importing a culture like the Saudi Arabia to Australia is unthinkable, dear. Try to imagine it and let me know what you come up with.

The boy was Pakistani. Try to keep up.

Karnal claimed to be Pakistani,Pakistan topped the google searches for donkey sex.

Alas, the old boy claims I’m.Pakistani.

We Paki suspects top the Google search for old boy sex. They’re cheap, easily available, and happy to comply.

They’re always ready to spread their cheeks and let you in.

Allah Uakbar, no?

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