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Question: Which institution would you leave your kids at?
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Christian    
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Muslim    
  2 (16.7%)
I would never leave my kids at any    
  7 (58.3%)




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Reply #45 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:59pm
 
Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church.

You have to agree with Big on that.




If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church
then the only thing they would have to worry about
is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam -
not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile.


Ok so we've finally pinned you down.
You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children.




Hypothetical -
you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution.

Which one would you choose?

(a) Christian
(b) Muslim



B for me


So you want your child to be abused AND learn to hate jews?
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Re: Christians worse than Muslims
Reply #46 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:04pm
 
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:59pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church.

You have to agree with Big on that.




If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church
then the only thing they would have to worry about
is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam -
not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile.


Ok so we've finally pinned you down.
You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children.




Hypothetical -
you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution.

Which one would you choose?

(a) Christian
(b) Muslim



B for me


So you want your child to be abused AND learn to hate jews?



They are a lefty, so the answer would be definitely, yes.

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Reply #47 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church.

You have to agree with Big on that.




If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church
then the only thing they would have to worry about
is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam -
not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile.


Ok so we've finally pinned you down.
You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children.




Hypothetical -
you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution.

Which one would you choose?

(a) Christian
(b) Muslim



They're not a religious institution, however, I wouldn't leave my kids with the ADF under any circumstances.

"Hundreds of stories poured into the review held by law firm DLA Piper -

"from acts of ritual bastardisation to horrifying tales of brutal sexual assault against children as young as 13."


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Reply #48 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:10pm
 
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church.

You have to agree with Big on that.




If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church
then the only thing they would have to worry about
is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam -
not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile.


Ok so we've finally pinned you down.
You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children.




Hypothetical -
you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution.

Which one would you choose?

(a) Christian
(b) Muslim



As I said before, I believe the % of people who abuse children is probably equal in any given culture but what effect the numbers is the ability to report the incidences.

I'd feel equally uncomfortable with either option.




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Reply #49 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:14pm
 
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:59pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church.

You have to agree with Big on that.




If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church
then the only thing they would have to worry about
is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam -
not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile.


Ok so we've finally pinned you down.
You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children.




Hypothetical -
you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution.

Which one would you choose?

(a) Christian
(b) Muslim



B for me


So you want your child to be abused AND learn to hate jews?


Are you saying they would safer with Christians or the ADF? Think i would take my chances with the muzzies thanks all the same
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Re: Christians worse than Muslims
Reply #50 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:14pm
 
We have one person here who would be happy to leave their kids with a Christian institution.
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Reply #51 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:14pm:
We have one person here who would be happy to leave their kids with a Christian institution.


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Reply #52 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:17pm
 
Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:14pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:59pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church.

You have to agree with Big on that.




If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church
then the only thing they would have to worry about
is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam -
not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile.


Ok so we've finally pinned you down.
You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children.




Hypothetical -
you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution.

Which one would you choose?

(a) Christian
(b) Muslim



B for me


So you want your child to be abused AND learn to hate jews?


Are you saying they would safer with Christians or the ADF? Think i would take my chances with the muzzies thanks all the same


In futurer, please learn to read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

This lesson in comprehension is free.


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As I said before, I believe the % of people who abuse children is probably equal in any given culture but what effect the numbers is the ability to report the incidences.

I'd feel equally uncomfortable with either option.


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Re: Christians worse than Muslims
Reply #53 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:33pm
 
Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:14pm:
We have one person here who would be happy to leave their kids with a Christian institution.


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More like brave.

How can we trust them anymore?

Those at the top moved the pedophiles around to other places where they continued their depravity -

instead of calling the police.
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Reply #54 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:33pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:14pm:
We have one person here who would be happy to leave their kids with a Christian institution.


Sick bugger  Angry



More like brave.

How can we trust them anymore?

Those at the top moved the pedophiles around to other places where they continued their depravity -

instead of calling the police.


We still talking about the ADF?

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Reply #55 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:17pm
 
Why do people practice child sexual abuse? In some cases it has religious and cultural roots.

I can find no religious or cultural source for the depravity of the pedophiles in our western society. This degenerate child abuse exists in groups of politicians, members of youth organizations, police forces, clergy etc. why do they do it? Does anybody have an honest answer?

It is against our laws, and against our religious and cultural views.

Thankfully we have progressed to the point where we have started to have royal commissions etc into this. I hope that the perpetrators are exposed and dealt with to the harshest and fullest extent of our laws.

I firmly believe to defeat it, you have to know the cause, what is it?

Is it just depraved homosexual lust in the case of the men, who do it to little boys, what is the real reason?

Merely railing on against Christianity will not solve anything, as to beat this depravity the so called priests would actually have to get closer to the teachings of the N.T. (Christ warned against harming Children)

Why do people from all walks of life in our society do it?

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I do know that in the case of India, child sexual abuse is rampant, it is part and parcel of the culture, as the following extracts from 2007 show us: 

child abuse in India

W.H.O. estimates that 150 million girls and 73 million boys under 18 have been subjected to forced sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual violence.

UNICEF estimated 3 million girls and women in sub-Saharan Africa, Egypt and Sudan are subjected to female genital mutilation every year.

Of the young adults (ages 18-24) interviewed, almost half of them reported having been physically or sexually abused as children.

So India has a culturally entrenched problem, which overwhelms our problems a thousand time over.

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Then we have the old favourite: muslims

Well the following best sums it all up


ISLAM WAS BORN OUT OF CHILD ABUSE AND RAPE tells us

Islam is the only major world religion where child marriage has the religious sanction of its prophet. Mohammed ‘married’ Aisha, his most notable wife, when she was six years old. The marriage was consummated when she was nine or ten at the latest[b]. Like so many marriages, it was the product of an alliance between her father and Mohammed. Aisha’s merchant father was Mohammed’s first ally outside his family, and went on to be Mohammed’s successor. That alliance was sealed with the sexual abuse of his little girl.

[b]Such arrangements are still common in the Muslim world today
, where little girls are treated as gifts to seal an alliance.

Islam was born out of the brutal rape of a little girl. As the mother of the Sunni Caliphate, Aisha is not just an incidental figure. Her marriage to Mohammed lies at the heart of Islam. The alliance between her father and her abuser made Islam viable by giving its prophet his first real power base. After Mohammed’s death, her father used that connection to the Chief Prophet of Islam, to gain the political upper hand over Mohammed’s son-in-law in the civil war that arose afterward. And it was her father who oversaw the codification of the Koran in its written form.

The spread of the Islamic faith and the codification of the Koran were made possibly only through the rape of a little girl. And there is no way around that. Which is why child abuse remains a permanent part of Islam. To disavow it, is to disavow Islam’s Prophet and his successor, whom Sunni Islam associates with the codification of their religion’s holiest book. Muslims cannot tolerate gently mocking cartoons of their prophet. They certainly are not about to put him aside so that no more 9 year old girls get raped.

And how could they? One of the most awful Hadiths depicts Aisha’s mother taking her from her swing set, wiping her face and then bringing her inside and putting her on Mohammed’s lap. While everyone else left, Mohammed “consummated” his marriage with her. Another describes her friends coming over to play with dolls… after her marriage. Still another mentions that she had originally played with his own children.

There is nothing terribly new here. Child abuse predates Islam. It is not uncommon in the West. But in Islam, it is an organic part of the religion itself. Even when Muslims attempt to inhibit it, they must resort to convoluted arguments that Mohammed was given special sanctions to do what he did, because he was on another level than ordinary men. And so they cannot condemn the act itself, only distinguish between Mohammed’s “high-minded” sort of child abuse and that of ordinary people.

But Aisha is only the most notable example of the exploitation of women and little girls that was a major factor in the rise of Islam.

Islam was not only born out of the rape of Aisha, but out of the rape and slavery of countless women captured by Mohammed’s forces. The rape and abuse of those women was a recruitment tool for Islam. While Muslims who fight to conquer and subjugate non-Muslims are promised 72 virginal demon women in paradise,

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from above

for many of the practically minded that was not enough incentive. They wanted their reward now. Mohammed’s forces looted the property of those they conquered and subjugated. But also kidnapped and sexually abused their wives and daughters.

When some of his men objected to raping married women in the presence of their husbands, Mohammed received one of his ever convenient revelations from Allah, which dissolved the marriages of captured women making it completely legal under Islamic law and morality for them to be raped. This is not just some ancient practice, it is used as sanction today to justify the rape of married women in the parts of the world both under and not under Islamic law.

The Burqa arose because of the need to distinguish between women who were married to Muslims and could not be touched, and all other women. By covering their bodies and faces, Muslim women showed that they were off limits. Other women on the other hand remained subject to assault. Rather than practice morality, Mohammed’s men made a point of marking their ‘property’ with a brand. The Burqa was that brand. It still works that way today. When Australia’s Grand Mufti justified the gang rape of Australian girls, he did it by comparing them to uncovered meat who were to blame for what happened to them. Women who adopt the Burqa and submit to Islam are moral. Those who do not are whores.

To Mohammed and his bandit raiders, women were another form of loot. Islam expanded by force and to recruit men to fight, they had to be offered some incentives. The chance to seize women, without having to pay a dowry or negotiate tribal alliances, or even marry them at all, provided them with a real incentive. Being able to grant divine sanction to any act, no matter how depraved, let Mohammed and his men do whatever they wanted.

Islam’s Prophet had been forced to marry an older woman for financial reasons, but after her death spoke constantly of finding a “young girl to play with”. From kidnapping and raping women to marrying his son’s wife to molesting a little girl who still played with dolls– Islam allowed Mohammed to indulge his worst impulses. Mohammed reached such a level of arrogance that when he wanted to set aside one of his wives’ marital rights, he received yet another convenient ‘revelation’ from Allah. At which point the Koran records Aisha as saying, “O Allah’s Apostle I do not see but that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.” Here the true nakedness of Islam is revealed. Mohammed’s Allah was nothing more than his pimp.

Islamists depict their religion as a defense against decadence, but their own prophet wallowed in decadence. Islam was a means of getting what he wanted, from women to wealth. While the prophets of other religions had tried to appeal to men’s higher impulses, Mohammed understood all along that he had to go lower than that. His religion legalized theft and rape. Demeaned women and destroyed entire cultures, all so that he and his men could profit from their misery. That understanding gave Mohammed the leverage he needed to destroy a region where religions and cultures had formerly co-existed, and turn it into the base of global terror.

Had Mohammed been a decent man, there never would have been an Islam. Had he been wealthy and powerful enough to engage all his appetites to their fullest, there would also have been no Islam. Islam exists only because Mohammed wanted more than he had. And didn’t want to work for it. The campaign of mass murder and ethnic cleansing created a religion of terror, but it was done in the service of greed. Like so many tyrants, from Hitler to Kim Jong Il, Mohammed had a vastly inflated ego completely out of proportion to his actual abilities. And like them, he knew that cunning and ruthlessness would take him further, than righteousness and hard work ever would. He saw his opponents as weak because they were unwilling to do what he did. And that made them easy prey. Mohammed and his men did not win because they were stronger. Certainly not because they were more righteous. They won because they were willing to do anything to win. And those they fought weren’t.

Unlike most dictators though, Mohammed’s legacy did not die with him. It was encoded in the Koran, carried forward by warlords and caliphs, by numberless tyrants who kill and enslave in the name of the Koran. His contempt for women and girls is also a part of that legacy.

Wherever it goes, Islam carries with it the toxic baggage of Mohammed. And inevitably rape and child abuse follow. There is no way around that. Islam was born out of child abuse and rape. It cannot exist without it.

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So it's definitely no contest for me, islam is the worst there is, India comes in next, the western world has at least got a chance to get it right as we know it's wrong and we are working on it.




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Surely this Muhammed character was an extremist who was misinterpreting the real message of Islam?
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Reply #58 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:40pm:
Surely this Muhammed character was an extremist who was misinterpreting the real message of Islam?


Do the  Christians need a commandment that says they shall not fiddle with kiddies before they realise its not cricket ?
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Reply #59 - Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:59pm
 
Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:20pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:40pm:
Surely this Muhammed character was an extremist who was misinterpreting the real message of Islam?


Do the  Christians need a commandment that says they shall not fiddle with kiddies before they realise its not cricket ?



No - they just need to phone the police when they find out about kiddy fiddlers.
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