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Reply #15 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 2:33pm
 
I recall that you included a reference to sovereignty in some of your posts.

If you have a point to make Aussie, I suggest you make it. If you want to retract your claim, retract it.
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Reply #16 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 2:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 2:33pm:
I recall that you included a reference to sovereignty in some of your posts.

If you have a point to make Aussie, I suggest you make it. If you want to retract your claim, retract it.


I've made my point, and have nothing to detract.  You, on the other hand, have misrepresented what I said.
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Reply #17 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:16pm
 
Are you trying to qualify your "no right" BS?
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Reply #18 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:16pm:
Are you trying to qualify your "no right" BS?


No.
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Reply #19 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:32pm
 
So you think we have no right to interfere with Nazis gassing Jews?

And Nazis have a sovereign right to gas Jews?

And the right of Jews to not be gassed does not exist?
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Reply #20 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:32pm:
So you think we have no right to interfere with Nazis gassing Jews?

And Nazis have a sovereign right to gas Jews?

And the right of Jews to not be gassed does not exist?


We have been over this ground, and no matter how many times you ask, the answer will be the same.  (Have you noticed that I give you the courtesy of answering your posts?)

If Germany made the gassing of Jews legal (and by what remote chance do you think that might happen) we have no right to interfere (physically, i.e., militarily) in Germany without breaching German sovereignty.  How many times must I say that, freediver?
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Reply #21 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:43pm
 
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Reply #22 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:52pm
 
I am trying to figure out why you seem to be qualifying it with the bit about breaching sovereignty. Isn't that like saying I have no right to remove someone's head without killing them?
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Reply #23 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:52pm:
I am trying to figure out why you seem to be qualifying it with the bit about breaching sovereignty. Isn't that like saying I have no right to remove someone's head without killing them?


Only in a confused mind.

How much clearer can I make it freediver.  If I am going to impose my belief on any State, I cannot effectively do so without breaching its soveregnty.

I can hold my breath, go blue in the face, make railing speeches at the UN, even get a UN resolution (what chance is there of that if say, China is the relevant State) to send in the troops if that State does not bow to my will, (i.e.......I have to impose it) but....to act physically, i.e. militarily to do so is a breach of the State's sovereignty.  What is so hard about that, freediver.
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Reply #24 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:33pm
 
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If I am going to impose my belief on any State, I cannot effectively do so without breaching its soveregnty.


That at least makes sense Aussie. Likewise I can not effectively remove someone's head without killing them. This, however, has nothing to do with a concept of rights.
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Reply #25 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:33pm:
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If I am going to impose my belief on any State, I cannot effectively do so without breaching its soveregnty.


That at least makes sense Aussie. Likewise I can not effectively remove someone's head without killing them. This, however, has nothing to do with a concept of rights.


Now, it makes sense after having explained it like I should not have to, to an adult!  And yeas, your head/kill rubbish had nothing to do with the subject, hence I dismissed it.
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Reply #26 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:44pm
 
Things that make sense to Aussie:

I have no right to fall over without hitting the ground.

I have no right to get back up without getting off the ground.
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Reply #27 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:44pm:
Things that make sense to Aussie:

I have no right to fall over without hitting the ground.

I have no right to get back up without getting off the ground.


I'm convinced that has some relevance to sovereign rights..........somewhere in a confused mind.
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Reply #28 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:51pm
 
Why do you qualify your statement with "without interfering with their sovereign rights"? Does that mean we do have the right to do it if we interfere with their sovereign rights, or is this just an attempt to justify yourself?
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Reply #29 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 5:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Why do you qualify your statement with "without interfering with their sovereign rights"? Does that mean we do have the right to do it if we interfere with their sovereign rights, or is this just an attempt to justify yourself?


I do not have to justify anything except to myself.  I qualify it, because my opinion/position includes the qualification, one you acknowledge but you just find to be an inconvenience to your position.

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If I am going to impose my belief on any State, I cannot effectively do so without breaching its soveregnty.

I can hold my breath, go blue in the face, make railing speeches at the UN, even get a UN resolution (what chance is there of that if say, China is the relevant State) to send in the troops if that State does not bow to my will, (i.e.......I have to impose it) but....to act physically, i.e. militarily to do so is a breach of the State's sovereignty.


That there is a brick wall you are pointlessly butting your head against.
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