freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

A lot of Islamic history does.

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I don't know what the Jewish position is (today 2016) regarding the ancient Judaic law (3416 years ago).

I assume they are now superseded by present day Jewish doctrine. (I make this assumption on the fact that the Jews are no longer practicing or preaching them, they appear to be a very modern progressive people)

Now to get onto the Christian position on the ancient Judaic law:
Christ said two very important things:

1/. Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Very clearly stated that the law was until the time of John.

2/. Mat 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Fulfill means: (1)to complete successfully, (2) to bring to a finish or completion

Consequently if the O.T. Law has been successfully brought to a conclusion, it is finished, not applicable to Christians since the time of Christ.

So we still are at the point where Judaic law was rescinded by Christ, it has not been applicable for 2016 years.

The Jews (as far as I know) no longer practice the ancient barbarities of the Judaic law.

While your friends the muslims practice burning people alive today 2016, they always have practiced it, as it was instituted by muhammad himself, while spreading islam, in his roles of speaking for allah, being the best example for mankind to follow.

muslims are the most degenerate of people on this earth today, (right here, right now), they practice unutterably depraved atrocities against their fellow man with the clearset of conscience, they know allah, muhammad, qur'an and islam gives them divine sanction to perpetrate the foulest of barbarities against mankind.

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The Pew Society has done a survey on that. It will make you disappointed in humanity. It is the only time I have ever seen Gandalf insist Muslims do not actually mean what they say.

Taqiyya, innit.

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Feel free to be specific.

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It was largely a survey on Muslims attitudes to religious law.

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Apparently Muslims no longer believe that Muhammed tortured that jewish guy to make him reveal the location of the Jew gold. But that was never a low, just one of the many nasty things Muhammed got up to.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 1:02pm:


It came from Sirat Rasul allah by Ibn Ishaq it's in the chapter Khaybar.

Muhammad ordered the torture of a jew Kinana so he would reveal where their wealth was hidden, they lit a fire on his chest then chopped his head off.
Kinana was married to Safiyya they say she was hot, Muhammad married her on the very same day he had her husband tortured and killed, muslims will say Muhammad was a kind man who married widows.

Download a pdf anywhere here-
google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=sirat+rasul+allah+pdf

I do not recall seeing the total global results, or discussing them with you or anyone else here. As I recall you were pre-occupied with trying to explain away the Malaysian results. These were particularly ironic given that you and Brian had been using Malaysia as an example of progressive Islam. Would you believe the refrained from removing Brian's head while he was there?

I suppose it counts as progress if Muslims are giving up the most barbaric aspects of Islamic law like stoning people to death. Welcome to the 21st century.

FD: while cherry picking the results from the guilty muslim nations, I didn't actually notice that overall most muslims worldwide reject those laws.

Oh you don't say FD 

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:


He most certainly did. We had a number of discussions about them. You were involved, you just stayed quiet on all talk of Central Asia, Turkey, the former Soviet Bloc, etc.

For some reason, you only wanted to talk about Malaysia.