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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #15 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:06pm I've had enough of do-gooders and their fake crying episodes. Do the right thing and send them home straight away.
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #16 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.
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Reply #17 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:10pm

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

I've had enough of do-gooders and their fake crying episodes. Do the right thing and send them home straight away.

Exactly. Look at the trouble that is plaguing Germany now. They let in 1.1 million in an uncontrolled intake. Since then, the people they let in have gone on a rampage. Look at us. We have an orderly immigration program. We carefully vet those who we let in here on a permanent basis and don't pick those who traipse halfway across Europe in search of a more cushy lifestyle. Merkel was an idiot, albeit an idiot with her heart in the right place. But she failed the basic criteria for any leader of any country - she didn't put the safety and well-being of her own citizens first. Now both she and her fellow Germans are paying a steep price for that.

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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #18 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:11pm This is people rejected from getting a visa trying to use their kids to get a visa. F em.
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Reply #19 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.

I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean.

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Reply #20 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:13pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

I've had enough of do-gooders and their fake crying episodes. Do the right thing and send them home straight away.

Exactly. Look at the trouble that is plaguing Germany now. They let in 1.1 million in an uncontrolled intake. Since then, the people they let in have gone on a rampage. Look at us. We have an orderly immigration program. We carefully vet those who we let in here on a permanent basis and don't pick those who traipse halfway across Europe in search of a more cushy lifestyle. Merkel was an nice person, albeit an nice person with her heart in the right place. But she failed the basic criteria for any leader of any country - she didn't put the safety and well-being of her own citizens first. Now both she and her fellow Germans are paying a steep price for that.

In this world a leader should think with their mind and not their heart. Hearts make mistakes. I know mine has. That's the problem with female leaders.

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Reply #21 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings

Incorrect.

The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening.

You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning? It appears that you do.

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Reply #22 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings

Incorrect.

The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening?

You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning? It appears that you do.

I wish you would drown.

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Reply #23 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings

Incorrect.

The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening?

You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning? It appears that you do.

Two things: firstly, where are the boats and drownings and secondly, is that a question or a statement you're making?

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Reply #24 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:19pm

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings

Incorrect.

The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening?

You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning? It appears that you do.

I wish you would drown.

Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now. He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife.

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Reply #25 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:21pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings

Incorrect.

The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening?

You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning? It appears that you do.

I wish you would drown.

Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now. He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife.

piss off douchebag.

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Reply #26 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:24pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.

I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean.

Moral - based on quick google search - principles of right and wrong.

Many perspectives of right and wrong here. Is Andrews right to want to immediately protect these refugees/seekers? From those people's perspective - yes. From lib perspective no - because it undermines their policy.

Is it right that wants to prevent "more deaths"? Yes it is.

If you want to truly stop them landing onto our shores, you would have to make the borders a military zone and shoot all illegal boats. Eventually they would stop coming. Would that be moral if shooting a few boats down will stop zillions in the future? Sounds like a sound lib policy in the making.

Sort of like chinese tactic when hitting pedestrians. Small fine if killed them, but if they survive, then long and expensive medical bills... which is why you hear reports of cars deliberately reversing back their poor victims.

Perhaps armchair is thinking long term - the "short-term" suffering and pain of returning those people and continuous detentions vs. future boats.

What's interesting to me though, is that as libs are after a new slave caste (low paid, if paid at all), why not let these refugees in then. You know, since libs like Swag are "sick" of being "progressive tax" slaves.

Here's a great chance to kill off high paying low skilled workers and their unions by putting in people desperate to do anything. And these people might even vote for libs to thank them for letting them into the country. Pretty much win-win here.

Oh wait - I forgot - there are xenophobic elements in the lib party. Must appease them...or they will abandon ship. Plenty of famous ex-libs already - Slipper, Palmer....hmm fantastic role models?

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Reply #27 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:24pm

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings

Incorrect.

The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening?

You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning? It appears that you do.

I wish you would drown.

Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now. He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife.

piss off douchebag.

Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where. Cheesy

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Reply #28 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:25pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings

Incorrect.

The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening?

You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning? It appears that you do.

I wish you would drown.

Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now. He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife.

piss off douchebag.

Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where. Cheesy

Peccahead thinks that what happens in the med is somehow our issue. Cheesy

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Reply #29 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.

I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean.

Moral - based on quick google search - principles of right and wrong.

Many perspectives of right and wrong here. Is Andrews right to want to immediately protect these refugees/seekers? From those people's perspective - yes. From lib perspective no - because it undermines their policy.

Is it right that wants to prevent "more deaths"? Yes it is.

If you want to truly stop them landing onto our shores, you would have to make the borders a military zone and shoot all illegal boats. Eventually they would stop coming. Would that be moral if shooting a few boats down will stop zillions in the future? Sounds like a sound lib policy in the making.

Sort of like chinese tactic when hitting pedestrians. Small fine if killed them, but if they survive, then long and expensive medical bills... which is why you hear reports of cars deliberately reversing back their poor victims.

Perhaps armchair is thinking long term - the "short-term" suffering and pain of returning those people and continuous detentions vs. future boats.

What's interesting to me though, is that as libs are after a new slave caste (low paid, if paid at all), why not let these refugees in then. You know, since libs like Swag are "sick" of being "progressive tax" slaves.

Here's a great chance to kill off high paying low skilled workers and their unions by putting in people desperate to do anything. And these people might even vote for libs to thank them for letting them into the country. Pretty much win-win here.

Oh wait - I forgot - there are xenophobic elements in the lib party. Must appease them...or they will abandon ship. Plenty of famous ex-libs already - Slipper, Palmer....hmm fantastic role models?

A number of attackers involved in the Paris massacre had been masquerading as refugees. They managed to get into Paris because of Europe's lax border controls and even more lax politicians who decided to just open the flood gates without any checks or controls on who they let in. Since then, there's been carnage. Choosing who to let in or not let in to our country isn't xenophobia. It's the first responsibility of any government and just plain common sense.

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