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Reply #15 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 1:40pm

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 12:07pm:

We don't have any toll roads in WA

, well not that i am aware of anyway

One thing WA has got right.

The only people who really like toll roads are those who buy shares in toll roads while living nowhere near them.

No idea why they never adopted it here , can't even recollect if it has even been proposed. What does it cost to drive say 50km one way passing through all the tolls on the way?

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Reply #17 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 1:47pm

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 1:43pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 7:24am:

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Stop putting tolls on roads everywhere. Sad

And nationalise all toll roads.

I suppose you would recognise just compensation for the people who built them . . .or would you just do the communist thing.

After the years of profits? I think it could be calculated to a nicety.....

You've hit upon the very problem once foolish governments 'privatise' any public utility into a venture - the difficulty of clawing it back. Same thing occurred, as I predicted, with affirmative action - once it had done its deeds - you then had to claw it back, and by then it was so firmly entrenched that it was like cancer and impossible to do so.

Governments do these things with eyes wide open, knowing full well the monsters they are creating - they do so for personal benefit and benefit of their own chosen ones...... and NOT for the community at large.

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Reply #18 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 1:57pm

Vic wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 9:07am:

It is now nearly $50 in tolls for a return journey from my place to the airport. We can also thank jeff Kennett for allowing city link the ability to increase charges as well. In reply to the zoob that states use other roads, most councils have funnelled traffic so that to use those streets will add hours to your journey. As if motorists didn't think of that alternative?

There y'are... $50 a day for an airport worker.... now farken wonder why yer costs go up and up.. five day week $250 - six day week $300.... WTS do you think pays for that? Well - everyone - since those workers need to recoup that in pay scales, thus raising the price of everything and placing perpetual pressure on wage rises, and with each such rise inducing the toll roaders to raise their prices as well...

A self-defeating exercise that nobody wins but those on the inside who continue to garner nice salaries, perks and profits .... it's called Highway Robbery in other places... I'll bet their toll beeper says "Free Ride!!!"

Some people rob you with a six-gun.. others with a fountain pen.......

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Reply #19 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 2:01pm

Does it ease traffic congestion? I live about 2.5 hrs south of Perth so traffic not really an issue but Perth's traffic was awful on the freeways in peak times when I did live North of river , I would probably have entertained the prospect of paying a toll if it eased congestion and the money was pumped back in to the roads to achieve this .

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Reply #20 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm

Vic wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 9:07am:

It is now nearly $50 in tolls for a return journey from my place to the airport. We can also thank jeff Kennett for allowing city link the ability to increase charges as well. In reply to the zoob that states use other roads, most councils have funnelled traffic so that to use those streets will add hours to your journey. As if motorists didn't think of that alternative?

WTF that much?

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Reply #21 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 2:33pm

Its time wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

Does it ease traffic congestion? I live about 2.5 hrs south of Perth so traffic not really an issue but Perth's traffic was awful on the freeways in peak times when I did live North of river , I would probably have entertained the prospect of paying a toll if it eased congestion and the money was pumped back in to the roads to achieve this .

The difference between a freeway and a tollway is? You guessed it - you pay more for a tollway and might just as easily stop to pay toll. Eases congestion? Don't make me laugh.... and the money is pumped back only partly into fixing the roads - the toll roads that is... the ones the Highway Mafia use to take your money - all the others can go to rack and ruin.

Now imagine what the government could do with revenue raised from a toll that did not require handing out massive salaries to useless mouth board members and such and to shareholders.....

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Reply #23 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:27pm

Its time wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 12:07pm:

We don't have any toll roads in WA

, well not that i am aware of anyway

One thing WA has got right.

The only people who really like toll roads are those who buy shares in toll roads while living nowhere near them.

No idea why they never adopted it here , can't even recollect if it has even been proposed. What does it cost to drive say 50km one way passing through all the tolls on the way?

Depends on the road. Some roads have a cap on the tolls on a single journey. The amount paid depends on the kind of vehicle.

Citylink (Melbourne) toll caps (per trip):
Motorcycle = $4.28
Car = $8.57
Heavy Truck = $11.42 (day), $8.57 (night)

So if you had to travel the length of the toll road to get to and from work, you would be paying $85.70 per week.

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Reply #24 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:35pm

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 1:43pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 7:24am:

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Stop putting tolls on roads everywhere. Sad

And nationalise all toll roads.

I suppose you would recognise just compensation for the people who built them . . .or would you just do the communist thing.

Of course there should be just compensation based on the value of the road.

What I don't think is just is the idea that Citylink has already been paid for with the tolls five times over, with tolls still on the road, potentially for another 30 years, including tolls on those sections of the road paid for with public money. We don't need that kind of rent seeking.

Why do we need toll roads that are profit machines when they could be built by the government far more cheaply?

Citylink is also the reason why Melbourne still has no railway link to the airport. It's forbidden in the Citylink contract.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Motorist Cash Cows For The Toll Road King Reply #25 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:40pm bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 2:38pm: Is Bam in favour of just compensation or not? Simple question. As long as there's also some form of just compensation for workers who have to use the road to get to and from work. These tolls should be tax deductible, or paid for by the employer, or both.
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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: Motorist Cash Cows For The Toll Road King Reply #26 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 9:31pm If you don't want to use a toll road, just leave home a bit earlier and use an ordinary road.
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Reply #28 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:28am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:58am:

Wolseley wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

If you don't want to use a toll road, just leave home a bit earlier and use an ordinary road.

Give me the choice between a tollway and a freeway then..... duuuuh.. that's a hard one.... ummm.. lemme think a minute... errrr.....

For every tollway there is an alternative route without tolls.

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Reply #29 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:33am

Wolseley wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:58am:

Wolseley wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

If you don't want to use a toll road, just leave home a bit earlier and use an ordinary road.

Give me the choice between a tollway and a freeway then..... duuuuh.. that's a hard one.... ummm.. lemme think a minute... errrr.....

For every tollway there is an alternative route without tolls.

Often modified by having lanes removed to funnel traffic onto the toll road.

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