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Reply #30 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 1:28am

Psalms 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Should we tolerate wolves to live among us, when we need not do so ?

Who is at fault ?

The wolf [for being a wolf], ....or ourselves [for purposely, recklessly, willingly, ...putting the innocent at the mercy, of those who are merciless ? ] ?

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"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

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Reply #31 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 6:23am

Yadda wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 1:28am:

Psalms 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Should we tolerate wolves to live among us, when we need not do so ?

Who is at fault ?

The wolf [for being a wolf], ....or ourselves [for purposely, recklessly, willingly, ...putting the innocent at the mercy, of those who are merciless ? ] ?

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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Karl Popper

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann

All the good you create will be attacked

Unless
You
DEFEND IT.

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Reply #32 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:59am

Sophia wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

he was raped a couple of times as a kid and the first time he killed someone was when they were about to rape a couple of other kids.

Doesn't excuse what he did, but ultimately that's where his 'rescue' led him

I know I am going to sound like a sap, but, I do feel sorry for him.
I don't think he deserved jail.

Sometimes, a person like that, whom has suffered much, doesn't want others to suffer as he has, and he will do what he can to stop it, wishing someone could have helped or saved himself.

Honestly, so what if he killed a would-be-rapist-paedophile, he did society a big favour.

He was very well spoken on the interview and he had nothing but praise for his adoptive family. Just a tragic set of circumstances.

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Reply #33 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:30am

John Smith wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

he was raped a couple of times as a kid and the first time he killed someone was when they were about to rape a couple of other kids.

Doesn't excuse what he did, but ultimately that's where his 'rescue' led him

Sophia wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

I know I am going to sound like a sap, but, I do feel sorry for him.
I don't think he deserved jail.

Sometimes, a person like that, whom has suffered much, doesn't want others to suffer as he has, and he will do what he can to stop it, wishing someone could have helped or saved himself.

Honestly, so what if he killed a would-be-rapist-paedophile, he did society a big favour.

NO!    ....he didn't.

The life and example of Bobby Veen.

Being exonerated, for murdering alleged child molesters/abusers, would have 'sent the wrong message' to the broader community.

i.e. '.....its OK to be judge, jury, and executioner, sometimes.'

.....and it is NOT OK!

The fault, our fault,       ...is in our having pity for a person like Bobby Veen, a convicted murderer.

But the much greater fault is with OUR, OUR, OUR dysfunctional justice system,    ....which operates with our authority, and on our behalf.

WE 'OWN', OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.

WE [ultimately], ARE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE, FOR HOW IT OPERATES, ON OUR AUTHORITY, AND ON OUR BEHALF.

We are witnesses, to a dysfunctional justice system, which allows and tolerates child molesters/abusers, AND OTHER LAWLESSNESS,    ....so as to appease the 'do gooders',    ....who want to acquit everyone, of wrongdoing!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/2#2

As individual citizens, we have no direct authority to regulate how our justice system operates.

Instead, we pay politicians and bureaucrats [very, very well!] to administer and to manage, how our justice system operates,    ....on our behalf.

But, we have a circumstance today, we have a political system today,    .....where those who DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY to seek much better outcomes [e.g. to secure justice for the victims, of violent criminals] refuse to be accountable for the appalling consequences of their mis-administration.

Those who we have appointed to administer and to manage our justice system, refuse to properly do so, they refuse to account justice, against those who live among us, and commit criminal acts [and sometimes very violent criminal acts] .

I would suggest, because of their own [political] cowardice, or [in some cases] because their own complicity in gross lawlessness.

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Reply #35 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:37am

Yadda wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

he was raped a couple of times as a kid and the first time he killed someone was when they were about to rape a couple of other kids.

Doesn't excuse what he did, but ultimately that's where his 'rescue' led him

Sophia wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

I know I am going to sound like a sap, but, I do feel sorry for him.
I don't think he deserved jail.

Sometimes, a person like that, whom has suffered much, doesn't want others to suffer as he has, and he will do what he can to stop it, wishing someone could have helped or saved himself.

Honestly, so what if he killed a would-be-rapist-paedophile, he did society a big favour.

NO!    ....he didn't.

The life and example of Bobby Veen.

Being exonerated, for murdering alleged child molesters/abusers, would have 'sent the wrong message' to the broader community.

i.e. '.....its OK to be judge, jury, and executioner, sometimes.'

.....and it is NOT OK!

The fault, our fault,       ...is in our having pity for a person like Bobby Veen, a convicted murderer.

But the much greater fault is with OUR, OUR, OUR dysfunctional justice system,    ....which operates with our authority, and on our behalf.

WE 'OWN', OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.

WE [ultimately], ARE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE, FOR HOW IT OPERATES, ON OUR AUTHORITY, AND ON OUR BEHALF.

We are witnesses, to a dysfunctional justice system, which allows and tolerates child molesters/abusers, AND OTHER LAWLESSNESS,    ....so as to appease the 'do gooders',    ....who want to acquit everyone, of wrongdoing!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/2#2

As individual citizens, we have no direct authority to regulate how our justice system operates.

Instead, we pay politicians and bureaucrats [very, very well!] to administer and to manage, how our justice system operates,    ....on our behalf.

But, we have a circumstance today, we have a political system today,    .....where those who DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY to seek much better outcomes [e.g. to secure justice for the victims, of violent criminals] refuse to be accountable for the appalling consequences of their mis-administration.

Those who we have appointed to administer and to manage our justice system, refuse to properly do so, they refuse to account justice, against those who live among us commit criminal acts [and sometimes very violent criminal acts] .

I would suggest, because of their own [political] cowardice, or [in some cases] because their own complicity in gross lawlessness.

Yadda, it's not that he premeditated to kill, it was all on raw emotions, he wasn't being jury, judge and executioner, this reminds me much of when a woman, for instance, is in an abusive relationship, and then can't handle anymore and something snaps inside and she kills her husband, in some cases over the years, I have noted that some are not jailed and are excused. So why not this Bobby Veen also? Because he is not female? Because he is black? I can see the similarity in cases of the abused wife/female, but somehow, it's given Bobby a very severe jail term, and in fact, I am quite disgusted by the mere fact, that in 2011, he was not allowed to attend his father's funeral.

Where is the fair justice in all that?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: rescued childs wasted life Reply #36 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:40am Sophia wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:37am: I am quite disgusted by the mere fact, that in 2011, he was not allowed to attend his father's funeral. he didn't do himself any favours .... didn't he try to escape jail via helicopter one year?
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Reply #37 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:42am

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

only when you get some hairy old bloke stick his dick up your arse when you are 14yrs old, can you judge him

Yeah, well...

My memory of my own childhood, is that when i started school, i was living in a children's home.

Later i lived with foster parents [who were kind to me].

I myself, am about Bobby Veen's vintage.....

I didn't choose to take the law into my own hands.

I didn't choose to murder anyone.

I have never been charged with any criminal offence.

I have never spent a day in goal.

I was just lucky i guess.

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Reply #38 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:46am

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

Sophia wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

I am quite disgusted by the mere fact, that in 2011, he was not allowed to attend his father's funeral.

he didn't do himself any favours ....

didn't he try to escape jail via helicopter one year?

Very creative!
What is the reason you reckon, spent enough time on the inside, felt he was given a sentence too harsh, felt he would never get out unless he tries to get out himself? Heck I would feel that way too!

But I see what you mean about not allowing him to attend his father's funeral, in case he tries to escape, but on foot, with 2 guards with him, would have sufficed.

Just saying.

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Reply #39 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:51am

Yadda wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

only when you get some hairy old bloke stick his dick up your arse when you are 14yrs old, can you judge him

Yeah, well...

My memory of my own childhood, is that when i started school, i was living in a children's home.

Later i lived with foster parents [who were kind to me].

I myself, am about Bobby Veen's vintage.....

I didn't choose to take the law into my own hands.

I didn't choose to murder anyone.

I have never been charged with any criminal offence.

I have never spent a day in goal.

I was just lucky i guess.

So you weren't raped?

Like I said earlier, Veen had nothing but praise for his adoptive family. It wasn't the fact that he was adopted that made him snap, it was the rape (twice).

When he saw some guys about to do the same with other kids, he snapped. There was no planning, no premeditation. I personally would have given him a medal ... the authorities decided to jail him ... probably had more to do with his skin colour.

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Reply #40 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:56am

Yadda wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

only when you get some hairy old bloke stick his dick up your arse when you are 14yrs old, can you judge him

Yeah, well...

My memory of my own childhood, is that when i started school, i was living in a children's home.

Later i lived with foster parents [who were kind to me].

I myself, am about Bobby Veen's vintage.....

I didn't choose to take the law into my own hands.

I didn't choose to murder anyone.

I have never been charged with any criminal offence.

I have never spent a day in goal.

I was just lucky i guess.

You have a stronger sense of worth and character Yadda, something that Bobby Veen didn't probably have much of.
I sense you get a lot of comfort with written scriptures which help to ease any ill feelings, and perhaps, even forgiving, but not forgetting, and the reason to forgive, not to make others that did you wrong feel better about it, but to set yourself free from jailing your mind with it affecting your life letting it go round and round inside your head.

It proves that we all have different ways of coping with the trials of life.

I will admit that I had a father that seemed to have a split personality, when he was sober, he was intelligent, funny, and so full of life's experiences, but when he drank, then the darkness fell upon our household. He died back in 1991, my mother is nearly 88 now but keeps recounting all the negatives and abuse she put up with (I lost count how many times I heard it all!)...I have to skilfully change the subject, and in fact, I have learnt how to humour her and make her laugh.
See, that is what I do, making someone feel lighter in their soul and making them laugh is something you can't put a price on.

She said there were times her mind went black and she could have killed him.
I would have understood that, (so too would have my brother)...but the courts and justice system may not have.
I am glad she didn't, but back then, I thought it would have been the outcome which, well, would have been the outcome should it have happened.

So excuse me if I do sound a bit soft and all that, but I do have a lot of sympathy for Bobby Veen, and instead of a harsh long sentence in jail, how about a different institution? Is there a middle of the road approach to all this, for those that suffered a horrible abused life which led to the outcome?

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Reply #41 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:10am

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

only when you get some hairy old bloke stick his dick up your arse when you are 14yrs old, can you judge him

Yeah, well...

My memory of my own childhood, is that when i started school, i was living in a children's home.

Later i lived with foster parents [who were kind to me].

I myself, am about Bobby Veen's vintage.....

I didn't choose to take the law into my own hands.

I didn't choose to murder anyone.

I have never been charged with any criminal offence.

I have never spent a day in goal.

I was just lucky i guess.

So you weren't raped?

John Smith,

I can tell you, that i had, and have, a number of grievances, from my early childhood, ....against people from my own family, and against people who were strangers to me.

But as i said;

I didn't choose to take the law into my own hands.

I didn't choose to murder anyone.

I have never been charged with any criminal offence.

And i have never spent a day in goal.

Bobby Veen spent 40+ years in goal.

Why so ?

Principally because Bobby Veen clearly, made some very poor choices.

Clearly John Smith thinks that murder is OK, sometimes.

John Smith said....
Quote:

I personally would have given him a medal

Clearly Lady Lols thinks that murder is OK, sometimes.

Lady Lols said....
Quote:

I don't think he deserved jail.......

Honestly, so what if he killed a would-be-rapist-paedophile, he did society a big favour.

QUESTION;
Was Bobby Veen justified in the murders he committed ?

But more importantly, was the 'justification' for the murders [which Bobby Veen committed], that Bobby Veen gave, ever actually substantiated ?

Does anybody know ?

Dictionary;
substantiate = = provide evidence to support or prove the truth of.

The account that Bobby Veen gave, which partially, or wholly, 'justified' his future murders....
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The turning point

But when he was 11 years old, Bobby was the victim of a crime that would upend his life.

One afternoon, he was walking home from a football game, when he says he was abducted by three men in a car and molested.

He never told anyone what happened.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-12/bobby-veen-one-of-australias-longest-servi...

Again, was the 'justification' for the murders [which Bobby Veen committed], that Bobby Veen gave, ever actually substantiated ?

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Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

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Reply #42 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 11:38am

Yadda wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

only when you get some hairy old bloke stick his dick up your arse when you are 14yrs old, can you judge him

Yeah, well...

My memory of my own childhood, is that when i started school, i was living in a children's home.

Later i lived with foster parents [who were kind to me].

I myself, am about Bobby Veen's vintage.....

I didn't choose to take the law into my own hands.

I didn't choose to murder anyone.

I have never been charged with any criminal offence.

I have never spent a day in goal.

I was just lucky i guess.

So you weren't raped?

John Smith,

I can tell you, that i had, and have, a number of grievances, from my early childhood, ....against people from my own family, and against people who were strangers to me.

But as i said;

I didn't choose to take the law into my own hands.

I didn't choose to murder anyone.

I have never been charged with any criminal offence.

And i have never spent a day in goal.

Bobby Veen spent 40+ years in goal.

Why so ?

Principally because Bobby Veen clearly, made some very poor choices.

Clearly John Smith thinks that murder is OK, sometimes.

John Smith said....
Quote:

I personally would have given him a medal

Clearly Lady Lols thinks that murder is OK, sometimes.

Lady Lols said....
Quote:

I don't think he deserved jail.......

Honestly, so what if he killed a would-be-rapist-paedophile, he did society a big favour.

QUESTION;
Was Bobby Veen justified in the murders he committed ?

But more importantly, was the 'justification' for the murders [which Bobby Veen committed], that Bobby Veen gave, ever actually substantiated ?

Does anybody know ?

Dictionary;
substantiate = = provide evidence to support or prove the truth of.

The account that Bobby Veen gave, which partially, or wholly, 'justified' his future murders....
Quote:

The turning point

But when he was 11 years old, Bobby was the victim of a crime that would upend his life.

One afternoon, he was walking home from a football game, when he says he was abducted by three men in a car and molested.

He never told anyone what happened.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-12/bobby-veen-one-of-australias-longest-servi...

Again, was the 'justification' for the murders [which Bobby Veen committed], that Bobby Veen gave, ever actually substantiated ?

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Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

Yadda, it seems that the death penalty is to "murder" the wrong doers, what do you think about that situation, if say, myself or others search for the understanding of how, and why, and that it is done out of desperation to rid of an evil when this person feels none is protecting them?

The death penalty is to rid of evil doers, and isn't that doing society a favour?

What is your opinion of that situation?

If I remember correctly, isn't there some contradiction in the bible where God sets forth others to kill?

I recall something like that at bible studies once upon a time, and much to the speakers amazement.

In any case, I will ask a friend that is very bible knowledgeable to tell me where that section is.

So, how do you feel about God allowing such monstrosities to happen to innocent children, isn't that something like a 'bystander' or an 'accessory' to the fact?

Some tough testing there.
But as the bible says, God is that all forgiving and loving person, if a person has done wrong, but asks for redemption.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: rescued childs wasted life Reply #44 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 1:53pm Yadda wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:10am: Clearly John Smith thinks that murder is OK, sometimes. yes, especially if they rape innocent kids.
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