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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #105 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:41pm

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

So basically you are so desperate to deligitimise criticism of Islam that you paint yourself as knowing more about my opinion than I do?

no, I am merely telling you how I see you based on the information available to me ... if you secretly attend pro women rallies and wear a dress, I have no idea of it.

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

How exactly is standing up for the rights of Muslim women an excuse to criticise Muslims in general?

IS this where you repeat the same question again and again?

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

If it wasn't for your idiotic attempts to tell me what I think, I would not have any need to link the two.

I tell you how I see you based on what I've seen. I've no idea what you think .... have I ever claimed to be Mother Shipton?

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

John has it occurred to you that people might have a legitimate criticism about the religion itself rather than specific Muslims or actions by Muslims?

of course, I myself criticise religions all the time, even Islam.

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Why are you so keen to dictate to others what a valid opinion is?

Am I?

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #106 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:45pm

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

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I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.

John has it occurred to you that people might have a legitimate criticism about the religion itself

rather than specific Muslims or actions by Muslims?

Exactly!

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freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Why are you so keen to dictate to others what a valid opinion is?

Exactly!

An argument which i explored, in post # 104

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #107 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:49pm

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no, I am merely telling you how I see you based on the information available to me

Of course. And somehow what you see my opinion as is the opposite of what I say it is. Does that not seem a little desperate to you?

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I tell you how I see you based on what I've seen. I've no idea what you think ....

If you have no idea what I think, why are you telling everyone what my motivation is? Is this your standard response to anyone who criticises Islam? I have been trying to tell you what I think. None of it gets through due to your constant efforts to tell me what I really think.

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of course, I myself criticise religions all the time, even Islam.

So why insist people "restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s"?

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #108 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:50pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Why are you so keen to dictate to others what a valid opinion is?

Am I?

Haven't you suggested in this forum, that people who [i.e. in your opinion] 'unfairly' criticise ISLAM 'a particular religion'
, are racists ????

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John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

.....if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc.

i.e.

What you are proposing,

....is that nobody, can consistently and repeatedly "make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion"
, because if they do, "then it's pretty obvious that they are racists"
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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #109 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:52pm

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

Does that not seem a little desperate to you?

Desperate? why? Do you think I somehow seek your approval?
freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

If you have no idea what I think, why are you telling everyone what my motivation is

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

no, I am merely telling you how I see you based on the information available to me

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

So why insist people "restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s"?

Because I don't believe your motives

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #110 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:53pm To John Smith, it is always pretty obvious what people think, even when he has no clue what they think. That is why he goes to such effort to ignore what they think.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #111 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:53pm freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:53pm: To John Smith, it is always pretty obvious what people think, even when he has no clue what they think. That is why he goes to such effort to ignore what they think. are you telling me what I think now FD?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #112 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:54pm Quote: Because I don't believe your motives You are not making any sense at all John. Are you saying that you pester everyone with this idiocy because you don't believe something that I have not told you?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #113 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:56pm freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:54pm: Quote: Because I don't believe your motives You are not making any sense at all John. Are you saying that you pester everyone with this idiocy because you don't believe something that I have not told you? Pester everyone? no .... just you.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #114 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:57pm Ah. So you pester me with idiocy because you don't believe the things I do not say? You seem to treat every critic of Islam with the same nonsense. Is there anyone other than you who can criticise Islam properly?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #115 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:58pm FD, did you just say you’ve been trying to tell us what you think? Can I ask - what do you think the obstacles to this are?
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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #116 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:00pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

Haven't you suggested in this forum, that people who [i.e. in your opinion] 'unfairly' criticise ISLAM 'a particular religion'
, are racists ????

are you suggesting racists can't have valid opinions?

Yadda wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

i.e.
What you are proposing,
....is that nobody, can consistently and repeatedly "make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion"
, because if they do, "then it's pretty obvious that they are racists"
.

if that's all you criticise, then yes it is obvious.

you want an example yadda?

muslim sexually abuses kid, yadda mentions it 1000 times in various threads

Catholic sexually abuses kid, yadda never says boo .... not even once.

is it the abuse you object to yadda? or the muslim? if it's the muslim, then you are certainly racist.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #117 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:02pm freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:57pm: Ah. So you pester me with idiocy because you don't believe the things I do not say? if it was idiocy why do you get defensive? why do you even respond? I don't believe your motives FD ... what part of that is difficult for you?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #118 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:02pm freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:57pm: Ah. So you pester me with idiocy because you don't believe the things I do not say? Ee-gad, I think FD really did just say this. I still can’t believe it though.
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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #119 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:06pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:02pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

Ah. So you pester me with idiocy because you don't believe the things I do not say?

if it was idiocy why do you get defensive? why do you even respond?

I don't believe your motives FD ... what part of that is difficult for you?

How about the bit where I told you what my motives are? Did you invent something to disbelieve on my behalf so you could continue ignoring everything I say and insert your own version instead? ... which for some reason seems to be identical to the version you substitute for every other critic of Islam. Is there anyone else besides you who is capable of criticising Islam properly?

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