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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #45 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 2:26pm

GordyL wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 11:23pm:

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Do you agree with Brian that we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations and religions?

criticism is one thing, and I have no problem with it if the criticism is valid. Continuous Muslim bashing hidden under a veil of 'criticism' is another thing altogether and I don't agree with it.

I get it, bigots are taking cover in the guise of critiquing Islam. I've got nothing what so ever against Muslim people, but I have big problems with the ideology, and these problems are borne from real life experiences, not listening to Alan Jones or Bolt and sitting around frothing at the mouth saying 'the muzzies are coming'.

John, it's perfectly acceptable to say that a persons ideas or actions are fallible. A culture is just a collection of people. Some cultures are less better than others. Who would disagree that the Catholic Church's culture of celibate priests is flawed?

I don't disagree with anything you've said there.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74677 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #46 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 2:27pm GordyL wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 9:05am: . After the USA rolled thru Iraq and into Baghdad there was but a brief moment of calm. they weren't ready for it ... that's why trying to make them won't work. It'll only work when they want it bad enough, until then they have to live with their decisions
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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #47 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 9:56pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 11:12pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

This is another example of the sickness in Islam

why? because they resist western traditions?

Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

you talk as if you think you are better. Cheesy

Absolutely I am in so far as I make the best of my culture (rather piss and poo on it like you do)

Danish, English, Italian, French, Spanish, German - European - culture and civilisation are infinitely better than any, ANY Muslim Arabs version of culture.

It is not my making but I DO identify with them. Who the hell wants to be a backward Muslim Arab when they could be Danish, English, Italian, French etc??

piss and poo on it like I do? Exactly where have I done that Sore end? Is it because I haven't partaken of your hobby of crapping all over Muslims?

You see, someone who gets a kick out of pissing on others, can in my book, never call themselves superior. Someone truly superior wouldn't need to piss and poo on others down like you do.

As to who wants to be a Muslim ... it's the fastest growing religion in the world you drop kick. Cheesy

You are excusing and supporting the importation of people from a rape culture into the West on the basis they will overwhelm any culture that lets them in so why resist them.

That's maximum piss and poo on your own culture.

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #48 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:13pm

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:08am:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

islam is the mother load of bad ideas. We should never stop critising ideas

they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it.

Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country.

its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object.

Where do you stand on what they are doing over here?

Yup I was going to ask the same thing.

Do you think all immigrants who come to Australia should be sat down and given a stern talking to about stuff that's on and not on? I'm not talking about a pop quiz to see if they know who Skippy and Don Bradman is.

Most of them should not be let in before we get to the sit down and stern talk bit.

Mass immigration is a political fraud and economic burden.

Australia has doubled its population at the same rate as the world - that means we have third world breeders who will radically transform this country and will send it down the bath of Brasil and other tribal societies. The individual will be supplanted by the tribal identity and corruption and nepotism will be everywhere.
I give it 50 years, no more. Australia will be just another corrupt, declining multiracial society like Brasil, South Africa, the US and Canada.

Culture matters. Indiscriminate mass immigration brings crap cultures to the fore and to dominance, eventually. The breeders will win. And the breeders are not sharing your culture.

"Lebanese- and Syrian-born residents have an average of four and 3.5 children respectively, whereas Australian-born women have 1.86....
To keep the math simple, take a population of 100,000, 90 per cent of whom have 1.86 kids per woman and 10 per cent of whom have four:

The 90,000 have 83,700 children;
The 10,000 have 20,000 children.

In turn:

The 83,700 have 77,841 children;
The 20,000 have 40,000 children.

And thereafter the minority is the majority. And all that growth is without a single new immigrant."

http://www.steynonline.com/7458/toss-another-western-society-on-the-barbie

Numbers. You can't ignore numbers.

But most of you will because being ignorant is 'noice'.

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #49 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:32pm

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 11:12pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

This is another example of the sickness in Islam

why? because they resist western traditions?

Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

you talk as if you think you are better. Cheesy

Absolutely I am in so far as I make the best of my culture (rather piss and poo on it like you do)

Danish, English, Italian, French, Spanish, German - European - culture and civilisation are infinitely better than any, ANY Muslim Arabs version of culture.

It is not my making but I DO identify with them. Who the hell wants to be a backward Muslim Arab when they could be Danish, English, Italian, French etc??

piss and poo on it like I do? Exactly where have I done that Sore end? Is it because I haven't partaken of your hobby of crapping all over Muslims?

You see, someone who gets a kick out of pissing on others, can in my book, never call themselves superior. Someone truly superior wouldn't need to piss and poo on others down like you do.

As to who wants to be a Muslim ... it's the fastest growing religion in the world you drop kick. Cheesy

You are excusing and supporting the importation of people from a rape culture into the West on the basis they will overwhelm any culture that lets them in so why resist them.

That's maximum piss and poo on your own culture.

Yes, old boy, but we let you in, and you want to oppress the bastards. You also have an unlimited supply of stool. You stand against every value our culture is.about.

Still, I do feel.there’s hope for you yet. You’re always free to come to Pakistan, you know.

You’d love it.

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #50 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:46pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

This is another example of the sickness in Islam

why? because they resist western traditions?

Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

you talk as if you think you are better. Cheesy

I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning.

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #51 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:50pm

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

This is another example of the sickness in Islam

why? because they resist western traditions?

Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

you talk as if you think you are better. Cheesy

I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning.

Why don't you try running that by an Islamic person, see if they 'know' it too!

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #52 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:58pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

This is another example of the sickness in Islam

why? because they resist western traditions?

Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

you talk as if you think you are better. Cheesy

I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning.

Why don't you try running that by an Islamic person, see if they 'know' it too!

Pedophiles don't feel what they do is wrong. Sometimes one thing is better than another

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #53 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:34am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #54 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 6:43am Whereas FD would continue to ignore the issue and find endless diversions to avoid having to address it.
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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #55 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:29am

GordyL wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

This is another example of the sickness in Islam

why? because they resist western traditions?

Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

you talk as if you think you are better. Cheesy

I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning.

Why don't you try running that by an Islamic person, see if they 'know' it too!

Pedophiles don't feel what they do is wrong. Sometimes one thing is better than another

pedophillia is illegal, being a muslim isn't

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #56 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:30am

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:34am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business.

no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #57 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:38am

John Smith wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:29am:

GordyL wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

This is another example of the sickness in Islam

why? because they resist western traditions?

Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

you talk as if you think you are better. Cheesy

I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning.

Why don't you try running that by an Islamic person, see if they 'know' it too!

Pedophiles don't feel what they do is wrong. Sometimes one thing is better than another

pedophillia is illegal, being a muslim isn't

Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong.

I think the way western secular democracies is much more righter than Muslim theocracies. I think you may even be able to say the proof is in he pudding for this one, given western secular democracies give rise to more wealth, equity and freedom of expression, no?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74677 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #58 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:41am GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:38am: Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong. perhaps you should have taken the opportunity to explain to Soren the difference between 'everyone else' and 'Islamaphobes'
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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #59 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:52am

John Smith wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong.

perhaps you should have taken the opportunity to explain to Soren the difference between 'everyone else' and 'Islamaphobes'

There are some practices in Islam that are universally regarded as abhorrent.

There are now some people who label anyone to criticises these practices as islamophobes.

In your opinion, where on the spectrum does someone become an islamophobes? In your mind do they become an islamophobes if they critique even one aspect of Islam?

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