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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #90 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 2:02pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

True, JS, but there's an easy response to that.

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COMMENT by Yadda;

All moslems are filthy stinking liars!!!

Thank you for that Karnal.

I know that you would not argue with that proposition.

And, i know that you simply state it again, as an attempted rebuke.

BUT IT IS 'LIKE WATER OFF A DUCK's BACK'.

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ALL MOSLEMS INTENTIONALLY LIE ABOUT, OR MISREPRESENT, THEIR 'FAITH'...
EXAMPLE #1;

Following the slaughter of Drummer Lee Rigby in 2013, on an English street, ...a public statement was made by,

The muslim council of Britain

- the umbrella organisation representing all British muslims.

And that statement was published on

The muslim council of Britain

website.

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent.

There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith.

The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.

It [ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news

http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

dead links ? those statements were posted on,

The muslim council of Britain

, website, in just 2013.
but now those links are dead ?
but why could that be ???

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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ALL MOSLEMS INTENTIONALLY LIE ABOUT, OR MISREPRESENT, THEIR 'FAITH'...
EXAMPLE #2;

IMAGE.....

Australian Grand Mufti Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-10/muslim-village-media-slams-abbotts-islam-h...
Quote:

Australia's Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohammad has taken issue with Mr Abbott's call for a reformation within Islam.

"Islam is not in any need of reformation since...

.....the normative principles and practices of the religion [i.e. ISLAM] allow Muslims to harmoniously coexist within pluralist societies that are based on the universal values of compassion and justice," he said.

COMMENT by Yadda;

All moslems are filthy stinking liars!!!

The Koran, ISLAM's 'holy' book, is an instruction manual of religious hatred,

....it is a religious instruction manual, which promotes the 'righteous' hatred and murder, of persons who are not moslems [...and who reject ISLAM].

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"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #91 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

.....homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people.

But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in.

Bizarre world eh?

I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s.

But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc.

My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.

John Smith,

You present yourself here as a virtuous and tolerant person.

But it does seem that you are a person who cannot abide truth, whenever truth contradicts your own opinion or worldview.

???

John Smith,

A person who will not abide truth, cannot claim to be a virtuous and tolerant person, .....imo.

I am critical of ISLAM [and its adherents] because the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote the idea that it is not unlawful for a moslem, to kill anyone who rejects ISLAM.

That is my fault!

That i am critical of ISLAM.

And i am no racist.

QUESTION;
Are you going to insist that i am a 'racist', .....for my criticism of what ISLAM is, and, for my criticism of what the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote ???

John Smith,

'What about the innocent moslems, which you castigate ???'
....i can hear you ask/complain!

John Smith,

It is ISLAM which defines who is a moslem, and who is not a moslem.

And ISLAMIC religious texts plainly declare, that those who contradict and ignore the tenets and laws of ISLAM [though they may claim to be moslems], they are infidels [i.e. NOT moslems].

n.b.

That is not what i say.

That is what ISLAM and ISLAMIC law, dictates.

The undeniable conclusion which we must come to, is that;

Everyone who insists that he/she is a moslem, ....is cognisant of, and is in full agreement with, what the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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And the 'sanction' for abandoning ISLAM and its dictates, is to be put to death.

That is not what i say.

That is what ISLAM and ISLAMIC religious texts dictate.

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

John Smith,

I claim the right [by virtue of living in a society where it is still legal to be critical of those who promote a criminal intent], .....to criticise ISLAM.

And i criticise ISLAM, because the tenets and laws of ISLAM plainly promote the idea [within the moslem religious community], that if a moslem kills a person, or persons, who reject ISLAM, then that moslem has done nothing wrong, ....and nothing unlawful, as far as ISLAM is concerned.

QUESTION;
Are you going to insist that i am a 'racist', .....for my criticism of what ISLAM is, and for my criticism of what the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote ???

.

Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #92 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:27pm Quote: John Smith, You present yourself here as a virtuous and tolerant person. But it does seem that you are a person who cannot abide truth, whenever truth contradicts your own opinion or worldview. There you go, JS. I did warn you.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #93 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:57pm Yadda wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm: John Smith, You present yourself here as a virtuous and tolerant person. not at all ... however, I am honest about what I am.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #94 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:58pm Yadda wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm: But it does seem that you are a person who cannot abide truth, whenever truth contradicts your own opinion or worldview. you could of course try to prove that claim by posting up some truths, but I'm betting that is beyond you
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #95 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:58pm Karnal wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:27pm: There you go, JS. I did warn you. what can I say ... I'm a scorpio
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2 Reply #96 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 4:02pm John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:27pm: There you go, JS. I did warn you. what can I say ... I'm a scorpio I'm a Virgo. Miam miam.
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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #97 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 6:56pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:30am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:30am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:34am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business.

no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive

What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive?

you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing.

So how do you explain my support for the rights of Muslim women?

'I thought we covered that ? .... it's a handy excuse for you to criticse Muslims in general.

So basically you are so desperate to deligitimise criticism of Islam that you paint yourself as knowing more about my opinion than I do? How exactly is standing up for the rights of Muslim women an excuse to criticise Muslims in general? If it wasn't for your idiotic attempts to tell me what I think, I would not have any need to link the two.

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #98 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:03pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'.

I recall my grandfather saying almost exactly the same thing word for word (except the Iran part) many times when I was younger .... and neither he nor I am Muslim.

But when did we hang gays from cranes in the public square, John?

are we doing it now?

I assume your grandfather said he'd like to see gays hung. My point is lots of people probably said that, but we didn't actually hang gays from cranes, unlike in Iran.

true, but for those instances where no crane is available, we had other methods

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-shame

http://76crimes.com/100s-die-in-homophobic-anti-gay-attacks-statistics-updates/

One is intendant criminals and the other is state sanctioned by a theocratic Govt done openly in the town square.

One country now has one of the biggest homo parades in the world.

Are you not proud of Australia for that?

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #99 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm

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I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.

John has it occurred to you that people might have a legitimate criticism about the religion itself rather than specific Muslims or actions by Muslims?

Why are you so keen to dictate to others what a valid opinion is?

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #100 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:15pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:30am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:30am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:34am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business.

no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive

What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive?

you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing.

It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people.

But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in.

Bizarre world eh?

I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.

As FD said above, I'm looking at the big picture. You can point out incident after incident but it's Islam and ME culture that has the systemic problems.

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Re: No love for Pakis on 14/2
Reply #101 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 8:29pm

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:15pm: