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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #45 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:40pm

ian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:08pm:

And heres the current grand Mufti, another fine upstanding Muslim terrorist supporter and inciter of hatred against western values.
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In 2012 Mohamed visited the Gaza Strip, where he met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh and told local news agencies, "I am pleased to stand on the land of jihad to learn from its sons".[4][5][6] He is said to support Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who he met in Qatar in April 2013.[7]

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In his 1993 book An Invitation To Contemplate he said that non-Muslims wanted their women to walk around, “exposed as a piece of sweet pastry ... devoured by the eyes of men"[10] and in 1995 he wrote, "the West does not bring to us any good, all they bring are their diseases".

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In October 2014 Mohamed and the ANIC called for the offence of "advocating terrorism" to be removed from the "Foreign Fighters Bill", currently before the Australian Parliament, saying a cleric could fall foul of the law simply by "advocated the duty of a Muslim to defend his land" or if he referred to stories in the Quran, Bible and Torah in his sermons.[12]

Chinese whispers eh karnal? Let me ask you a question, why are you so adamant in your support of terrorist sympathisers and inciters of hatred towards Western values and culture? What causes your self loathing?

That's not Chinese whispers, Ian. That's good referencing.

I fully agree with the argument about the foreign fighter's bill. The world is full of soldiers of fortune, including non-Muslim Australians. I also don't think it should be illegal to defend a foreign homeland, as some Australian Kurds are now doing against ISIS.

They are equally subject to the legislation as it now stands. A Kurd in just this situation recently had his Australian passport cancelled.

I'm not sure about the foreign fighter's bill being applied to sermons, but I only think people should be prosecuted if they incite actual violence.

I'm not adamant about terrorist supporters. I'm adamant that people should have every right to defend others against brutal regimes like Syria and ISIS.

I'm also adamant that people should have the right to say what they like about Western culture and values. You criticize Western values continuously on this site, and I don't think it should be illegal to do so.

If you were a professional soldier and joined a foreign militia for a fee, I'd have to think about whether this should pass muster. There are international treaties (including the Geneva Convention) that address this. It is a huge issue now in places like Africa, where mining companies employ militias. It was also an issue in Bouganville, where BHP employed ex-Australian soldiers to defend their Ok Tedi mining lease against local guerillas.

Should Australians have the right to fight locals defending their own land against mining or forestry companies?

An interesting question, but one that I think goes outside our discussion here.

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #46 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

ian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:45am:

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Ah. So a mufti speaking to an audience of Muslims - in Arabic - about dressing conservatively so as not to attract the gaze of men (the cat) has turned, through a game of knucklehead Chinese whispers, into Muslims justifying rape and telling Australians what to wear.

Dont be coy. His comments werent about dressing conservatively, they were about females who dont wear the hijab being compared to uncovered meat and deserving what they get for it. i.e. rape,. Justification for rape by Muslim men against western females, thats exactly what his comments were about.
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But can I ask? We had this discussion about 7 years ago - at least. I'm sure you were involved. What were you called back then, do you remember?

You should take medication for your paranoia.My names remained the same throughout my life. I see no ego boost in fraudulent posts on the internet, unlike some.

Are you saying you haven't had any other user names here, Ian? I'm not talking about ego boosts, I'm trying to work out if we've had exactly the same discussion before.

Do you have any quotes that justify rape?

And not just rape, but the Muslim rape of white women? That's what you're arguing.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

— Taj El-Din Hilaly

So who's fault is it karnal??? Answer him.

What's the source of your quotes, Homo? Ian's next in the queue, after you.

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #47 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:47pm

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

— Taj El-Din Hilaly

Actually, you're right. If Hilaly said this, it clearly blames the victim. I'm happy to take back everything I've said on this if you provide sources.

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Reply #48 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:48pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

ian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:45am:

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Ah. So a mufti speaking to an audience of Muslims - in Arabic - about dressing conservatively so as not to attract the gaze of men (the cat) has turned, through a game of knucklehead Chinese whispers, into Muslims justifying rape and telling Australians what to wear.

Dont be coy. His comments werent about dressing conservatively, they were about females who dont wear the hijab being compared to uncovered meat and deserving what they get for it. i.e. rape,. Justification for rape by Muslim men against western females, thats exactly what his comments were about.
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But can I ask? We had this discussion about 7 years ago - at least. I'm sure you were involved. What were you called back then, do you remember?

You should take medication for your paranoia.My names remained the same throughout my life. I see no ego boost in fraudulent posts on the internet, unlike some.

Are you saying you haven't had any other user names here, Ian? I'm not talking about ego boosts, I'm trying to work out if we've had exactly the same discussion before.

Do you have any quotes that justify rape?

And not just rape, but the Muslim rape of white women? That's what you're arguing.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

— Taj El-Din Hilaly

So who's fault is it karnal??? Answer him.

What's the source of your quotes, Homo? Ian's next in the queue, after you.

Wikipedia. It's common knowledge sugar muffin.

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #49 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:49pm

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

ian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:45am:

[
Ah. So a mufti speaking to an audience of Muslims - in Arabic - about dressing conservatively so as not to attract the gaze of men (the cat) has turned, through a game of knucklehead Chinese whispers, into Muslims justifying rape and telling Australians what to wear.

Dont be coy. His comments werent about dressing conservatively, they were about females who dont wear the hijab being compared to uncovered meat and deserving what they get for it. i.e. rape,. Justification for rape by Muslim men against western females, thats exactly what his comments were about.
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But can I ask? We had this discussion about 7 years ago - at least. I'm sure you were involved. What were you called back then, do you remember?

You should take medication for your paranoia.My names remained the same throughout my life. I see no ego boost in fraudulent posts on the internet, unlike some.

Are you saying you haven't had any other user names here, Ian? I'm not talking about ego boosts, I'm trying to work out if we've had exactly the same discussion before.

Do you have any quotes that justify rape?

And not just rape, but the Muslim rape of white women? That's what you're arguing.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

— Taj El-Din Hilaly

So who's fault is it karnal??? Answer him.

What's the source of your quotes, Homo? Ian's next in the queue, after you.

Wikipedia. It's common knowledge sugar muffin.

A link would be nice. I'll definitely look.

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #50 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:51pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

ian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:45am:

[
Ah. So a mufti speaking to an audience of Muslims - in Arabic - about dressing conservatively so as not to attract the gaze of men (the cat) has turned, through a game of knucklehead Chinese whispers, into Muslims justifying rape and telling Australians what to wear.

Dont be coy. His comments werent about dressing conservatively, they were about females who dont wear the hijab being compared to uncovered meat and deserving what they get for it. i.e. rape,. Justification for rape by Muslim men against western females, thats exactly what his comments were about.
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But can I ask? We had this discussion about 7 years ago - at least. I'm sure you were involved. What were you called back then, do you remember?

You should take medication for your paranoia.My names remained the same throughout my life. I see no ego boost in fraudulent posts on the internet, unlike some.

Are you saying you haven't had any other user names here, Ian? I'm not talking about ego boosts, I'm trying to work out if we've had exactly the same discussion before.

Do you have any quotes that justify rape?

And not just rape, but the Muslim rape of white women? That's what you're arguing.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

— Taj El-Din Hilaly

So who's fault is it karnal??? Answer him.

What's the source of your quotes, Homo? Ian's next in the queue, after you.

Wikipedia. It's common knowledge sugar muffin.

A link would be nice. I'll definitely look.

Just type in Hilali on google. Crikies!!!! The guy is a dirtbag Karnal. you don't always have to blindly back your people.

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #51 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:54pm

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

ian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:45am:

[
Ah. So a mufti speaking to an audience of Muslims - in Arabic - about dressing conservatively so as not to attract the gaze of men (the cat) has turned, through a game of knucklehead Chinese whispers, into Muslims justifying rape and telling Australians what to wear.

Dont be coy. His comments werent about dressing conservatively, they were about females who dont wear the hijab being compared to uncovered meat and deserving what they get for it. i.e. rape,. Justification for rape by Muslim men against western females, thats exactly what his comments were about.
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But can I ask? We had this discussion about 7 years ago - at least. I'm sure you were involved. What were you called back then, do you remember?

You should take medication for your paranoia.My names remained the same throughout my life. I see no ego boost in fraudulent posts on the internet, unlike some.

Are you saying you haven't had any other user names here, Ian? I'm not talking about ego boosts, I'm trying to work out if we've had exactly the same discussion before.

Do you have any quotes that justify rape?

And not just rape, but the Muslim rape of white women? That's what you're arguing.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

— Taj El-Din Hilaly

So who's fault is it karnal??? Answer him.

What's the source of your quotes, Homo? Ian's next in the queue, after you.

Wikipedia. It's common knowledge sugar muffin.

A link would be nice. I'll definitely look.

Just type in Hilali on google. Crikies!!!! The guy is a dirtbag Karnal. you don't always have to blindly back your people.

There are a number of Hilali's, Homo. I'm trying to establish that Wikipedia is talking about the same guy on Egyptian TV. If you provide a link, I can check it out.

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Reply #52 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:10pm

Found it. You are completely right, Homo. The guy's a dirtbag - totally out of step with Australian values. His comments on Australians in chains and Muslims as free settlers are also ridiculous, and do, on the face of it, appear to uncover smugness and moral superiority.

Ian, your claims below stand. By blaming women who leave the house for rape, Hilali's comments are completely offensive. You're right - they do excuse rapists. His comments on excessive sentences for the Skaf gang also point to his thinking on rape. While he's right that these sentences were passed in the context of Sept 11, his comments do appear to minimize the crimes, which were brutal.

This time, I'm impressed with your argument. Hilali deserves to be howled down for such comments. You're perfectly justified in raising them.

Good quoting and good arguments. Hilali is indeed a dirtbag.

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Reply #53 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:57pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Found it. You are completely right, Homo. The guy's a dirtbag - totally out of step with Australian values. His comments on Australians in chains and Muslims as free settlers are also ridiculous, and do, on the face of it, appear to uncover smugness and moral superiority.

Ian, your claims below stand. By blaming women who leave the house for rape, Hilali's comments are completely offensive. You're right - they do excuse rapists. His comments on excessive sentences for the Skaf gang also point to his thinking on rape. While he's right that these sentences were passed in the context of Sept 11, his comments do appear to minimize the crimes, which were brutal.

This time, I'm impressed with your argument. Hilali deserves to be howled down for such comments. You're perfectly justified in raising them.

Good quoting and good arguments. Hilali is indeed a dirtbag.

Karnal,

I just wish that you had a reputation, here on OzPol, for being candid and sincere.

If pigs could fly, .....eh!!!!!!

Dictionary;
candid = = truthful and straightforward; frank.

Dictionary;
sincere = = proceeding from or characterized by genuine feelings; free from pretence or deceit.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #54 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:19pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Found it. You are completely right, Homo. The guy's a dirtbag - totally out of step with Australian values. His comments on Australians in chains and Muslims as free settlers are also ridiculous, and do, on the face of it, appear to uncover smugness and moral superiority.

Ian, your claims below stand. By blaming women who leave the house for rape, Hilali's comments are completely offensive. You're right - they do excuse rapists. His comments on excessive sentences for the Skaf gang also point to his thinking on rape. While he's right that these sentences were passed in the context of Sept 11, his comments do appear to minimize the crimes, which were brutal.

This time, I'm impressed with your argument. Hilali deserves to be howled down for such comments. You're perfectly justified in raising them.

Good quoting and good arguments. Hilali is indeed a dirtbag.

Karnal,

I just wish that you had a reputation, here on OzPol, for being candid and sincere.

If pigs could fly, .....eh!!!!!!

Dictionary;
candid = = truthful and straightforward; frank.

Dictionary;
sincere = = proceeding from or characterized by genuine feelings; free from pretence or deceit.

You wish? That's strange. You have a generic post you keep reminding us all of my diabolical insincerity.

Google: taqiyya.

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Reply #55 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:40pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Found it. You are completely right, Homo. The guy's a dirtbag - totally out of step with Australian values. His comments on Australians in chains and Muslims as free settlers are also ridiculous, and do, on the face of it, appear to uncover smugness and moral superiority.

Ian, your claims below stand. By blaming women who leave the house for rape, Hilali's comments are completely offensive. You're right - they do excuse rapists. His comments on excessive sentences for the Skaf gang also point to his thinking on rape. While he's right that these sentences were passed in the context of Sept 11, his comments do appear to minimize the crimes, which were brutal.

This time, I'm impressed with your argument. Hilali deserves to be howled down for such comments. You're perfectly justified in raising them.

Good quoting and good arguments. Hilali is indeed a dirtbag.

Karnal,

I just wish that you had a reputation, here on OzPol, for being candid and sincere.

If pigs could fly, .....eh!!!!!!

Dictionary;
candid = = truthful and straightforward; frank.

Dictionary;
sincere = = proceeding from or characterized by genuine feelings; free from pretence or deceit.

You wish? That's strange. You have a generic post you keep reminding us all of my

diabolical

insincerity.

Google: taqiyya.

diabolical = = of SATAN

No contest.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #56 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:42pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Found it. You are completely right, Homo. The guy's a dirtbag - totally out of step with Australian values. His comments on Australians in chains and Muslims as free settlers are also ridiculous, and do, on the face of it, appear to uncover smugness and moral superiority.

Ian, your claims below stand. By blaming women who leave the house for rape, Hilali's comments are completely offensive. You're right - they do excuse rapists. His comments on excessive sentences for the Skaf gang also point to his thinking on rape. While he's right that these sentences were passed in the context of Sept 11, his comments do appear to minimize the crimes, which were brutal.

This time, I'm impressed with your argument. Hilali deserves to be howled down for such comments. You're perfectly justified in raising them.

Good quoting and good arguments. Hilali is indeed a dirtbag.

Karnal,

I just wish that you had a reputation, here on OzPol, for being candid and sincere.

If pigs could fly, .....eh!!!!!!

Dictionary;
candid = = truthful and straightforward; frank.

Dictionary;
sincere = = proceeding from or characterized by genuine feelings; free from pretence or deceit.

You wish? That's strange. You have a generic post you keep reminding us all of my

diabolical

insincerity.

Google: taqiyya.

diabolical = = of SATAN

No contest.

Thanks, Y. That should improve my reputation with the Satanists.

Most sincere. Cheers.

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Reply #57 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 7:07pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

ian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:45am:

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Ah. So a mufti speaking to an audience of Muslims - in Arabic - about dressing conservatively so as not to attract the gaze of men (the cat) has turned, through a game of knucklehead Chinese whispers, into Muslims justifying rape and telling Australians what to wear.

Dont be coy. His comments werent about dressing conservatively, they were about females who dont wear the hijab being compared to uncovered meat and deserving what they get for it. i.e. rape,. Justification for rape by Muslim men against western females, thats exactly what his comments were about.
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But can I ask? We had this discussion about 7 years ago - at least. I'm sure you were involved. What were you called back then, do you remember?

You should take medication for your paranoia.My names remained the same throughout my life. I see no ego boost in fraudulent posts on the internet, unlike some.

Are you saying you haven't had any other user names here, Ian? I'm not talking about ego boosts, I'm trying to work out if we've had exactly the same discussion before.

Do you have any quotes that justify rape?

And not just rape, but the Muslim rape of white women? That's what you're arguing.

How about the rule about what your right hand possesses? Muhammed built his empire on sex slavery.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #58 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

ian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:45am:

[
Ah. So a mufti speaking to an audience of Muslims - in Arabic - about dressing conservatively so as not to attract the gaze of men (the cat) has turned, through a game of knucklehead Chinese whispers, into Muslims justifying rape and telling Australians what to wear.

Dont be coy. His comments werent about dressing conservatively, they were about females who dont wear the hijab being compared to uncovered meat and deserving what they get for it. i.e. rape,. Justification for rape by Muslim men against western females, thats exactly what his comments were about.
Quote:

But can I ask? We had this discussion about 7 years ago - at least. I'm sure you were involved. What were you called back then, do you remember?

You should take medication for your paranoia.My names remained the same throughout my life. I see no ego boost in fraudulent posts on the internet, unlike some.

Are you saying you haven't had any other user names here, Ian? I'm not talking about ego boosts, I'm trying to work out if we've had exactly the same discussion before.

Do you have any quotes that justify rape?

And not just rape, but the Muslim rape of white women? That's what you're arguing.

How about the rule about what your right hand possesses? Muhammed built his empire on sex slavery.

So you said, FD. Unlike Ian and Homo, you couldn’t find any sources.

Apart from your own quotes, I mean.

Uncle built his empire on real slavery. As an advocate of women’s rights you must have something to say about this.

I’m.curious. What say you?

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Reply #59 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:50pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Found it. You are completely right, Homo. The guy's a dirtbag - totally out of step with Australian values. His comments on Australians in chains and Muslims as free settlers are also ridiculous, and do, on the face of it, appear to uncover smugness and moral superiority.

Ian, your claims below stand. By blaming women who leave the house for rape, Hilali's comments are completely offensive. You're right - they do excuse rapists. His comments on excessive sentences for the Skaf gang also point to his thinking on rape. While he's right that these sentences were passed in the context of Sept 11, his comments do appear to minimize the crimes, which were brutal.

This time, I'm impressed with your argument. Hilali deserves to be howled down for such comments. You're perfectly justified in raising them.

Good quoting and good arguments. Hilali is indeed a dirtbag.

you are quite a number of years late to realise this well known and documented fact.

If you would apply yourself in any small manner instead of abusing others or making stupid comments you may realise many more such facts.

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