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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: France closing mosques Reply #75 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:42pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 11:03pm: Built a country from nothing. Like Australians you mean.
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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #76 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:45am

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

ian wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

The silence from the Muslim community in Australia after his comments was deafening.

Absolute rubbish.

Remind us - when was the last Muslim demo AGAINST the Islamic State??

Hello?!? Anyone there?

Oh yes, Muslims have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'g, including the nuffin' of IS.

Do these count?

Organisers of an anti-Isis march in London have spoken of their frustration after mainstream media outlets failed to cover the demonstration.

Indian Muslims protest against deadly ISIL attacks

Hundreds of Calgary Muslims protest ISIS violence in Iraq

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #77 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:03am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:45am:

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

ian wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

The silence from the Muslim community in Australia after his comments was deafening.

Absolute rubbish.

Remind us - when was the last Muslim demo AGAINST the Islamic State??

Hello?!? Anyone there?

Oh yes, Muslims have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'g, including the nuffin' of IS.

Do these count?

Organisers of an anti-Isis march in London have spoken of their frustration after mainstream media outlets failed to cover the demonstration.

Yes Soren!

What on earth is there, that could possibly be wrong with these tolerant, peace loving, moslems ????????

image source....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-anti-isis-march-not-covere...

from the image above.....

"Terrorism has no religion!"

.......except ISLAM.

Allah's Messenger said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

Allah's Messenger said,
".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

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from the image above.....

"ISLAM promotes human rights!"

.......Really ?
Because that is not my interpretation of ISLAM's intended influence in the world.

The Koran gives witness to Allah's, and ISLAM's utter disregard for the 'human rights' of anyone who is not a devout moslem.

"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land....."

Koran 8.67

Koran [8:67 above] meaning here, first moslems should beleaguer and slaughter their enemies in the land, to terrorise, to cower them.

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: France closing mosques Reply #78 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:05am Gandalf do you think Australia needs to set up a similar mosque licensing scheme?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: France closing mosques Reply #79 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 9:38am You're not really a big fan of 'getting the gist' of what people say are you FD? polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 3:48pm: Its not a matter of closing mosques because they are "unofficial" or "unlicensed" - its about closing down anyone - muslims or non-muslim who incites hatred and violence.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: France closing mosques Reply #80 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 9:39am Do you think we need to start doing that in Australia Gandalf?
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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #81 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 9:53am

multiple choice question:

with reference to gandalf's statement in the above quote, do you think gandalf's answer is:

a) yes
b) no
c) gandalf must be scared and is being evasive
d) I'll abstain from trying to understand basic English and continue with childish games

I think its important that you learn to work these things out FD - your level of basic reading comprehension has been a concern of mine for a while now.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: France closing mosques Reply #82 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am I am happy to decide what you think on your behalf Gandalf. It is usually you who gets upset about it. Do you have any particular places in mind that should be shut down?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: France closing mosques Reply #83 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:16am so option D it is then.
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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #84 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:22am

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

I am happy to decide what you think on your behalf Gandalf. It is usually you who gets upset about it.

Thats funny FD - cause its usually when I do give you a clear answer that the misrepresentations occur - like saying gays should be killed for flaunting their sexuality mardis gras style from my crystal clear statement that gays shouldn't be killed for being gay.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: France closing mosques Reply #85 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:27am Do you think we need to start following France's lead Gandalf? Do you support the closure of the French mosques?
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Reply #86 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:29am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Its not a matter of closing mosques because they are "unofficial" or "unlicensed" -

its about closing down anyone - muslims or non-muslim

who incites hatred and violence.

gandalf,

Please clearly define what you mean by the phrase;

'who incites hatred and violence'

Are you talking about ANYONE who offends moslem sensibilities ???

i.e.
Is a person,

'who incites hatred and violence'

, any person who does something, OR BELIEVES SOMETHING, which a moslem finds offensive ?

e.g.
Like, an infidel, who chooses to critically, read and determine, what the words in the Koran mean.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #87 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 2:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

I am happy to decide what you think on your behalf Gandalf. It is usually you who gets upset about it.

Thats funny FD - cause its usually when I do give you a clear answer that the misrepresentations occur - like saying gays should be killed for flaunting their sexuality mardis gras style from my crystal clear statement that gays shouldn't be killed for being gay.

Yes, but you did evade that one, G. Most mendacious of you.

You should have agreed with FD.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96367	Re: France closing mosques Reply #88 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 2:16pm freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 10:27am: Do you think we need to start following France's lead Gandalf? Do you support the closure of the French mosques? What are you going to ask when G says no, FD? How about this: are you a standard bearer for Western liberal values? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: France closing mosques Reply #89 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:07pm Let's not get ahead of ourselves Karnal. Gandalf gets upset when I make assumptions about what his answers are going to be.
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