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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #90 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:32pm

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves Karnal. Gandalf gets upset when I make assumptions about what his answers are going to be.

Good point. Maybe G will agree with mosques being banned. With the right.question, you might get him to agree with banning prayer as well.

We all know that someone like yourself would never support such a thing, FD.

You believe in Freeeeeeeedom.

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Reply #91 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:45am:

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

ian wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

The silence from the Muslim community in Australia after his comments was deafening.

Absolute rubbish.

Remind us - when was the last Muslim demo AGAINST the Islamic State??

Hello?!? Anyone there?

Oh yes, Muslims have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'g, including the nuffin' of IS.

Do these count?

Organisers of an anti-Isis march in London have spoken of their frustration after mainstream media outlets failed to cover the demonstration.

Indian Muslims protest against deadly ISIL attacks

Hundreds of Calgary Muslims protest ISIS violence in Iraq

Er.... no. I want to see the 'vast majority of peaceful Australian Muslims' go on the streets. I don't want the sole Muslims guy on these boards to pretend that you Muslims are putting in a maximum effort when you are nowhere near to even an anaemic and enervated effort.

London, India, Calgary - not Australia.

The demo in India, a country of hundreds of millions of Muslims - 12 turned out for the demo. They dress and deport (beards, pajamas) like it's 1521 but have iPhones.

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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #92 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:17pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves Karnal. Gandalf gets upset when I make assumptions about what his answers are going to be.

Good point. Maybe G will agree with mosques being banned. With the right.question, you might get him to agree with banning prayer as well.

We all know that someone like yourself would never support such a thing, FD.

You believe in Freeeeeeeedom.

He appears to support what is going on in France. Hence the question. Not sure why he is so touchy about it.

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Reply #93 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:43pm

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves Karnal. Gandalf gets upset when I make assumptions about what his answers are going to be.

Good point. Maybe G will agree with mosques being banned. With the right.question, you might get him to agree with banning prayer as well.

We all know that someone like yourself would never support such a thing, FD.

You believe in Freeeeeeeedom.

He appears to support what is going on in France. Hence the question. Not sure why he is so touchy about it.

Because my thoughts on the matter should be patently obvious from my previous remarks.

No matter, since you gave me a direct and sensible response in the other thread, I'll give you one here.

No I don't agree we should start licensing mosques - because that would be redundant. The criteria is simple: if they are preaching hate, they should be banned. How would licensing add any value to this? You still have to determine whether or not they are preaching hate - license or no license.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #94 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:05pm

You have not actually expressed an opinion on any of it previously Gandalf. You have tried to clarify 'factual' issues - what it is, what is isn't, what is is 'about', but not whether it is good or bad.

Do you think the licences are of any value to the French? If not, why go to such effort to stress that they were illegal, unlicenced mosques?

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Reply #95 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:12pm

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

Do you think the licences are of any value to the French? If not, why go to such effort to stress that they were illegal, unlicenced mosques?

It probably suits the French more given their near-militant insistence on secular values in all aspects of public life. We are a bit more relaxed about these things.

Its important to emphasise because unlicenced/illegal mosques go hand in hand with non-mainstream mosques. I was not making an endorsement of licensing per se, but rather reaffirming the fact that its only the non-mainstream, unofficial mosques that are a problem. And again, I don't believe introducing a licensing system adds any value to identifying problem mosques.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: France closing mosques Reply #96 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:41pm Do you see the irony in suggesting that officially licensed mosques are compatible with a militant insistence on secularism?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96364	Re: France closing mosques Reply #97 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:00pm freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:41pm: Do you see the irony in suggesting that officially licensed mosques are compatible with a militant insistence on secularism? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #98 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves Karnal. Gandalf gets upset when I make assumptions about what his answers are going to be.

Good point. Maybe G will agree with mosques being banned. With the right.question, you might get him to agree with banning prayer as well.

We all know that someone like yourself would never support such a thing, FD.

You believe in Freeeeeeeedom.

He appears to support what is going on in France. Hence the question. Not sure why he is so touchy about it.

Because my thoughts on the matter should be patently obvious from my previous remarks.

Gandy - you are a Muslims. Your thoughts are as far from patently obvious as thoughts can possibly be. You have many, many more than two corners of your mouth and god knows, you speak out of all of them.

It's a Muslims thing, I know, we know, you know. Truth, honesty, consistency - all infidel constructs. You speak Muslim truth. That's your abiding meme, Muslim truth. Infidel objectivity doesn't apply to the bruvvers and sistas. It's the glory of Mohammed.

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Reply #99 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

Do you think the licences are of any value to the French? If not, why go to such effort to stress that they were illegal, unlicenced mosques?

It probably suits the French more given their near-militant insistence on secular values in all aspects of public life. We are a bit more relaxed about these things.

Its important to emphasise because unlicenced/illegal mosques go hand in hand with non-mainstream mosques. I was not making an endorsement of licensing per se, but rather reaffirming the fact that its only the non-mainstream, unofficial mosques that are a problem. And again, I don't believe introducing a licensing system adds any value to identifying problem mosques.

Mainstream???

WTF is that?

YOU can't tell mainstream Muslims from jihadis. How can you tell mainstream mosques from jihadi mosques?

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Reply #100 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

Do you think the licences are of any value to the French? If not, why go to such effort to stress that they were illegal, unlicenced mosques?

It probably suits the French more given their near-militant insistence on secular values in all aspects of public life. We are a bit more relaxed about these things.

Its important to emphasise because unlicenced/illegal mosques go hand in hand with non-mainstream mosques. I was not making an endorsement of licensing per se, but rather reaffirming the fact that its only the non-mainstream, unofficial mosques that are a problem. And again, I don't believe introducing a licensing system adds any value to identifying problem mosques.

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.........I don't believe introducing a licensing system adds any value to identifying problem mosques........

ban all mosques then

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: France closing mosques Reply #101 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:08pm Apparently in Aceh the mainstream Muslims are trying to ban Sufi mosques and schools for being strange and misleading.
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Re: France closing mosques
Reply #102 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:11pm

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves Karnal. Gandalf gets upset when I make assumptions about what his answers are going to be.

Good point. Maybe G will agree with mosques being banned. With the right.question, you might get him to agree with banning prayer as well.

We all know that someone like yourself would never support such a thing, FD.

You believe in Freeeeeeeedom.

He appears to support what is going on in France. Hence the question. Not sure why he is so touchy about it.

Because my thoughts on the matter should be patently obvious from my previous remarks.

Gandy - you are a Muslims. Your thoughts are as far from patently obvious as thoughts can possibly be. You have many, many more than two corners of your mouth and god knows, you speak out of all of them.

It's a Muslims thing, I know, we know, you know. Truth, honesty, consistency - all infidel constructs. You speak Muslim truth. That's your abiding meme, Muslim truth. Infidel objectivity doesn't apply to the bruvvers and sistas. It's the glory of Mohammed.

And yet, dear boy, you champion oppression.

But claim to be a liberal.

Quote Voltaire.

But want to ban beards.

A Christian?

You want a quarter of the world carpetbombed - and that’s just the Muslim quarter.

Turn the other cheek?

Snatch their clothing off them. Round them up. Ban them. Kill them. Oppress the bastards.

How many corners does your mouth have?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96364	Re: France closing mosques Reply #103 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:14pm freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:08pm: Apparently in Aceh the mainstream Muslims are trying to ban Sufi mosques and schools for being strange and misleading. How many corners on FD’s mouth? FD won’t say.
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Reply #104 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves Karnal. Gandalf gets upset when I make assumptions about what his answers are going to be.

Good point. Maybe G will agree with mosques being banned. With the right.question, you might get him to agree with banning prayer as well.

We all know that someone like yourself would never support such a thing, FD.

You believe in Freeeeeeeedom.

He appears to support what is going on in France. Hence the question. Not sure why he is so touchy about it.

Because my thoughts on the matter should be patently obvious from my previous remarks.

Gandy - you are a Muslims. Your thoughts are as far from patently obvious as thoughts can possibly be. You have many, many more than two corners of your mouth and god knows, you speak out of all of them.

It's a Muslims thing, I know, we know, you know. Truth, honesty, consistency - all infidel constructs. You speak Muslim truth. That's your abiding meme, Muslim truth. Infidel objectivity doesn't apply to the bruvvers and sistas. It's the glory of Mohammed.

And yet, dear boy, you champion oppression.

But claim to be a liberal.

Quote Voltaire.

But want to ban beards.

A Christian?

You want a quarter of the world carpetbombed - and that’s just the Muslim quarter.

Turn the other cheek?

Snatch their clothing off them. Round them up. Ban them. Kill them. Oppress the bastards.

How many corners does your mouth have?

Who the bloody hell is talking to YOU, PB? Are you the Keysar Trad to Gandy's Sheikh Al Hilarious?

Do you have a beard and 6 kids?

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